cowman1952 Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I have had my LGT auto wagon since May this year. I have only put 12K on the car, which now has a total of 58K. I had the exhaust and the ECU reflashed about 2K ago. I'm still under warranty, but the dealer and Subaru won't cover it because of the reflash. They say the rod/bearing went because of over reving the engine. I have not over reved the engine and never drive out of the "auto" mode (sorry old guy 56) Has anyone ever heard of a reflash causing something like this? I'm at a loss.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgeracer Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 This would be a first. How was the maintenance history on the car? Know anything about the previous owner? Have you tried a different dealer? "Gimme mines Balboa...Gimme mines".....Clubber Lang - Mr. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockerGT Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 I'm sorry to say but that's the risk we (the modding community) take for modding our cars. You pay to play the game. When I modified my car, I went in fully knowing that any damage, whether its a blown clutch or a blown motor, I would have to pay for it out of pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondas123 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 I have a friend that had an 05 Outback (non-turbo) and also threw a rod bearing causing engine failure. His was replaced under warranty. - The Mortgage Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eles1 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 It's not likely that your modifications caused the issue but you're also going to have an uphill battle getting this covered under warranty because of those modifications... Good Luck. Let us know how it turns out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejoy1220 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 See if you can find a copy of the Magnuson Moss Act online somewhere, and retain a good lawyer, and pray you can get something done. US Code - Title 15, Chapter 50, Sections 2301-2312 Legally, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty on a vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the failure in the vehicle (per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302©) . edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NutBucket Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 They need to prove the reflash removed or increased the rev limiter. I'm fairly certain it did not so their argument is bunk. EDIT: What reflash did you have done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 What is the oil change history on this vehicle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeslk Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Yes you are right the rev limiter is increased. Is it a Cobb reflash or some other vendor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmeat Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 you are not going to win. Just give up. I mean, you modified the engine for more power, it failed. Black and white. I do feel sorry for you, as I'd hate for my Stage 2 to fail - and it shouldn't; but you were about out of warranty anyways...another month and it wouldn't be covered, period. I'm pleasantly surprised... It was most certainly worth the couple bucks and 10 mins of my time. CLICK HERE FOR THE HOGZAUST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urfsin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I don't get it. If your car borks and you are modded and re-flashed, why not return it to stock THEN take it back in to the dealder? I think my cluch is going and I am going to try and have it replaced. I plan on going back to stock when I visit the dealer. Slide It Sideways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_sharp Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Wait... did you spin a bearing or throw a rod? You can't "throw a rod bearing" A connecting rod does not just up and snap. Rod bearings will go long before rods... unless you really did over-rev it. And if it was the bearing you should have heard warning signs long before it actually spun on itself. In any case, this isn't a failure that sneaks up on you... What is the whole story? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
700watts Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Oil Pressure ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whobaru Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I don't get it. If your car borks and you are modded and re-flashed, why not return it to stock THEN take it back in to the dealder? I think my cluch is going and I am going to try and have it replaced. I plan on going back to stock when I visit the dealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.T.Subie Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Good luck with this. Denial is your best friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bms231 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 yea my question.... is subaru smart enough now to know ur ecu has been reflashed? or did you tell them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whobaru Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I have the same question. What I do know is they won't try to find out if you don't tell them about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpill66 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Wait... did you spin a bearing or throw a rod? You can't "throw a rod bearing" A connecting rod does not just up and snap. Rod bearings will go long before rods... unless you really did over-rev it. And if it was the bearing you should have heard warning signs long before it actually spun on itself. In any case, this isn't a failure that sneaks up on you... What is the whole story? I second that. I spun a bearing on my '80 528i back when I had it. Took almost 2 months to go from subtle warning noises to imminent failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockerGT Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 yea my question.... is subaru smart enough now to know ur ecu has been reflashed? or did you tell them? They can easily see if your ECU has been reflashed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bms231 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 They can easily see if your ECU has been reflashed i know they can see if that lil indicator is set back to 0 ....... but.....how can they 1. tell it wasnt from ur disconnecting the battery 2. receiving one of their own flashes from a stealership ? since you seem to be so positive can you elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockerGT Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 i know they can see if that lil indicator is set back to 0 ....... but.....how can they 1. tell it wasnt from ur disconnecting the battery 2. receiving one of their own flashes from a stealership ? since you seem to be so positive can you elaborate? Subaru has their own ECU mapping software called the Subaru Select Monitor (SSM). It's what dealers use. The SSM software shows how many times ECU has been flashed and also can tell if the base map has been changed via a flash from software other than SSM (aka Cobb, EcuTek, OpenECU, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 ^ source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.T.Subie Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Subaru has their own ECU mapping software called the Subaru Select Monitor (SSM). It's what dealers use. The SSM software shows how many times ECU has been flashed and also can tell if the base map has been changed via a flash from software other than SSM (aka Cobb, EcuTek, OpenECU, etc.) I don't think that is that easily noticed unless they are really looking for it. I'm going off of this info. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29816&highlight=ssm Denial is your best friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bms231 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 cool yea well this is on the SSM3 so that answered my question and debunked shocker's theory. http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37498&highlight=%22select+monitor%22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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