lemming Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 got 5-6 inches in new england. i did a comparison in both cars with the different tires. the Pirelli P Zero Neros, as a lot of people expected from looking at the tread pattern, do a lot better from a dead standstill and also under braking. it is not as though the proxes 4 are all that much worse, but the pirelli's are noticeably better in snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 That is great to hear. So far I am very happy with mine in Summer and fall conditions, but no snow yet. Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmanus88 Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 i ordered toyos for my car, and i do not really regret it, but i was deciding over pirellis and toyo all seasons, and chose toyo proxes. for what reasons did so many people vote for toyo over pirelli? something other then snow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 Price. The Toyo's are signifigantly cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted November 14, 2004 Author Share Posted November 14, 2004 i didn't find the pricing difference to be so much that it would prevent me from buying pirelli's in the future. i love the toyo's, don't get me wrong, but there is no doubt that the PZero Nero M&S tire is much, much better in snow. I'd give the edge to the Proxes 4 when it rains and both have squishy soft sidewalls when it's dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmanus88 Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 speaking of pricing, as a one time favor a guy i know is getting me BBS rims and got me the toyos at cost. i beleive the toyos were $110 each (size of tires was for 18 inch rims). not bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim1969 Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 [quote name='lemming']i didn't find the pricing difference to be so much that it would prevent me from buying pirelli's in the future. i love the toyo's, don't get me wrong, but there is no doubt that the PZero Nero M&S tire is much, much better in snow. I'd give the edge to the Proxes 4 when it rains and both have squishy soft sidewalls when it's dry.[/QUOTE] Could you give a numerical value to the Dry/Wet/Snow handling of each the way TireRack does? That may help some of us decide between the two. How's the noise with each? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 [quote name='lemming']i didn't find the pricing difference to be so much that it would prevent me from buying pirelli's in the future. i love the toyo's, don't get me wrong, but there is no doubt that the PZero Nero M&S tire is much, much better in snow. I'd give the edge to the Proxes 4 when it rains and both have squishy soft sidewalls when it's dry.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that the price difference is huge, but the Pirellis sell for $116 at the Tirerack.com while the Toyos sell for $88 at Edgeracing.com. That is almost 32% more per tire and for a set of four come out to a total difference of $112. Not all the money in the world, but not chump change either. I think that both are fine tires and good values, it just depends on how much $$$ you have to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim1969 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 lemming, haven't heard from you in a while. any new snow/ice experience with the tires. I'm probably getting one or the other for X-mas based on your reviews. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 I hear everyone saying the sidewalls are very squishy. I'm not saying they aren't, but my question is what tire pressures are you running? I'm running 40-42psi up front with a lack of 4psi in the rear bias. That really makes all the difference right there. The tires are MUCH more firm, grip better, run better in the rain, etc, etc. At least in the Toyos, you need to run more pressure to really get that good feedback. It's definitely not as hard as a summer or competition tire, but it's not something to completely balk at either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STiSubie109 Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 just picked up a set for my wagon. im lovin the feel, overall braking and handling are sensational!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTWag Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 I'm probably selling some PZero Nero's (basically brand new ~200 miles on them) in the 225/45/17 size. Check out this thread for details... [url]http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5275[/url] Let me know if you're interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim1969 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 lemming, any new info? I'm trying to decide between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubie02 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 I saw the toyo's for $82 a piece recently--that's a fairly hefty price difference... How are the pirelli's though really in snow, say in comparison to high performance snows? Thats what I'd like to know. I've never had the high performance snows--only very businesslike studded nokians for winter, which would climb an ice mountain w/out a hiccup bet weren't exactly handlers inthe dry. I know the high performance winter's have less performance in the snow, and wonder how they compare to a good all season. I know some all seasons are much better than others in the white stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim1969 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Is Lemming ever going to post here again? People are watching his comparsion of the 2 tires. Personally, I'll be picking mine off of his comments. I hope he's checking this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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