frathouse87 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 hmmm, back to topic? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erito Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 back to topic, yes please and to kill the VW discussion I quote Jeremy Clarkson about the Jetta : "To give you some idea of how dull and featureless life is in there, put a cardboard box over your head. And leave it there for 10 years." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SLegacy99 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 back to topic, yes please and to kill the VW discussion I quote Jeremy Clarkson about the Jetta : "To give you some idea of how dull and featureless life is in there, put a cardboard box over your head. And leave it there for 10 years." Sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P06781 Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 Sorry to continue the vw talk as a TDI owner and LGT owner I really do like diesels for their ecomony . I have a older 2003 1.9l tdi that is a polluter compared most ICE's but has lots of good points also such as cheaper fuel, great hwy mpg, burns anything (grease, bioD , Dino oil), just as tunable as our turbos , great web forums for info, passionate drivers, ect ect. As far as emissions well probably 1/2 the lgt forum is catless here....hmm so what... The new 2l vw tdi for 2008 looks super with some nice specs even with the epa revised strictor mpg ratings... quote vw via tdiclub With an estimated 140 hp and 235 lb-ft in production trim, the 2.0-liter engine is up 30 hp and 55 lb-ft of torque from the previous 1.9-liter. Variable turbine geometry helps increase power without sacrificing efficiency, resulting in early estimates of 60 mpg on the highway. Volkswagen does not use urea injection, so owners don’t need to worry about filling the tank like that of a Bluetec system. There is a NOx trap and a particulate filter in the exhaust system to help meet Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions standards. Other upgrades include piezoelectric injectors, common-rail injection, a four-valve design and two-stage exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) system. I welcome a subaru tdi so I can cross shop vs a vw tiguan . As far a performance what about a 326bhp, 620Nm BMW 535d? The euros say its faster than any of the current ice BMW M cars . I think if you tried a tdi you would really love the super low end torque they provide. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 As far a performance what about a 326bhp, 620Nm BMW 535d? The euros say its faster than any of the current ice BMW M cars Huh? Faster than the current V10 M5 is what you are saying? The 535d is much slower than the 550i, which is only a V8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 Huh? Faster than the current V10 M5 is what you are saying? The 535d is much slower than the 550i, which is only a V8. Well if the 535d was putting out 100 more horsepower and whatever retarded level of torque it would be making (550lb-ft?) it might out gun a 550i, especially once both were already rolling. Problem is the 535d doesn't make that much power stock, although tuners like Hamann have gotten 350+ hp out of that diesel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobiechas Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 Just my 2 cents, diesels are a lot of fun to drive compared to a hybrid, as long as the trany is there to put it to the ground. There's something to be said about dropping the clutch and not having your foot on the accelerator I really enjoyed my Jetta TDI aside from the clutch issue but that falls on the shoulders of VWoA. I look forward to a diesel subi, I assuem they will have something worked out by the time my car is paid off and I roll the odometer over 200k. I loved the fact that I could drive like an a$$ and still get 42mpg. Decrease that a little for the AWD and I'm a happy camper. ----Hang up and Drive!---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 Just my 2 cents, diesels are a lot of fun to drive compared to a hybrid, Well I think its what you drive. Obviously the Prius is not a fun car drive. Its more of a satisfying feeling. But if I had to pick between the GS450h, or even the Altima hybrid over the Jetta TDI, I'd go for the hybrid based on fun factor. Now I haven't driven either car, but I heard the Accord hybrid is pretty unexciting despite its extra horsepower, so if you put it against the E320 bluetec I might have to opt for MB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P06781 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 Another new tdi :audi a4 awd 3l tdi next year .... http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/07/audi-to-begin-p.html Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 Sounds to me like Audi is getting in on a bit of everything. Diesels, hybrids, mild hybrids, diesel hybrids. Theyve got something for every consumer out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToRealEyes Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 aren't VW and Audi sibling companies? We were going to get an Audi A3, but the demand >> supply jacked the price up wayyyy high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToRealEyes Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 If Subaru is going to make a reliable diesel, I may be in the market for it when I'm out of college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 If Subaru is going to make a reliable diesel, I may be in the market for it when I'm out of college. I would have to pass if its only available in a CVT. And knowing Subaru as well as I do, it prolly will only be available in a CVT for the first several years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frathouse87 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 hmmm, didnt know there was so much hate against cvt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krzyss Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 aren't VW and Audi sibling companies? We were going to get an Audi A3, but the demand >> supply jacked the price up wayyyy high. VW owns Audi along Skoda, Seat, Bugatti. Krzys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frathouse87 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 audi is just a luxury VW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty1 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 The following was a response I received from SOA to the question about a diesel engines coming to the US: I asked: I've been reading in various vehicle magazines websites that Subaru plans to introduce a dieselengine in 2009. I was wondering if you plan on offering the diesel in an Outback and also make it available with a 5/6 speed manual transmission? Thanks. First name: L Last name: L ============= SOA Response below =========================== Dear Mr. L: Thank you for visiting the Subaru Web site and for your interest in Subaru products. The plan is to introduce a turbo-diesel powered model in Europe next year. Once this model is on the market in Europe, our manufacturer will review the sales results, performance and feedback from owners. At that time, a decision will be made as to whether or not to offer this model in the US. It would have to be modified to meet the stricter standards of the US government. We do appreciate that you brought this interest to our attention. I have forwarded your message to our Product Planning Department as a suggestion to offer turbo-diesel Subaru Outback models in the United States and as soon as possible. Thank you for the opportunity to be of assistance. If you need any future assistance, please let us know. Best wishes, Gina Holwell Subaru of America, Inc. Customer/Dealer Services Department----------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 So basically you will see a diesel Subaru in America when Ferrari starts offering 20 mpg + vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Sounds like SOA just said f*-you diesel buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Hahaha. Why do you think it will be a diesel Forester? I always thought it was going to be a diesel Impreza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erito Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 i wonder if the engine really would need modifications... ... if the engine doesn't reach EU/US requirements it is doomed... I will testdrive the cars when they arrive early 2008 here in sweden. It will be at least Legacy and Outback diesels here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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