wcbjr Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Sand, primer, light coat, light coat, light coat. etc. I forgot what I was supposed to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 ^ not even. No sanding needed - the grill is so porous, it would be pointless. If the grille is metal and the cup plastic, Krylon will do fine. On some older cars, I even went so far as to cover the metal grille in matching speaker cloth - to match the interior. This can also be useful in padding the brightness of the tweeter done just a bit, even though the cloth is sold as 'acoustically transparent'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB34 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Don't think I ever saw an answer for this..... how much did car toys charge for that custom box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtp Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 Don't think I ever saw an answer for this..... how much did car toys charge for that custom box? I've gotten a number of requests for this... I think I paid entirely too much, ($450)especially given the aesthetic quality of the piece. And I have no basis for comparison in terms of quality of sound. Boulderguy, would love to have you come down and take a listen and maybe we can tweek it a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fweasel Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Big 2nd on Manville's request to replace the separates with coaxials. I recently installed a set of 6.5" Morel coaxials in my front doors and the imaging is pretty amazing. My Z has 6.5" MB Quart Q components with the tweeters in custom kick panels. That location also sounds really good in that car, but passenger legs block the right tweeter and has a big impact on the imaging. I find the coaxials in the Legacy stock door locations is impacted less when a passenger rides along. ignore him, he'll go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon-K Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 ^ just paint the tweeter grills and it will be stealth. the phase plugs on my Quarts twist out and tweeter mounts twist in. Seems like a good option, thus my decision in buying them. x2. I just need to get around to mounting them! I've had them for 2 weeks now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtp Posted March 15, 2006 Author Share Posted March 15, 2006 I asked them to mount them as coaxials. But, because of the size of the woofer and phase plug, plus the size of the tweeter, they mounted back in the stock location. The car is headed back to the shop tomorrow. I will get it fixed or I will start the process of returning stuff... starting with the Focals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16psibrick Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 its kinda interesting that some popel notice impact on imaging with passenger legs, i for one, never had that issue with any of the kicks in my cars, infact, when i used to compete a little, i sat WITH the judge a lot on the passenger side and it never seemed to change anyhting... b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fweasel Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 its kinda interesting that some popel notice impact on imaging with passenger legs, i for one, never had that issue with any of the kicks in my cars, infact, when i used to compete a little, i sat WITH the judge a lot on the passenger side and it never seemed to change anyhting... b I'm 6'8", and would purposely not sit with the judge. My wife is 5' 10". That's a lot of leg in my car... ignore him, he'll go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16psibrick Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 well, i am 6'1', hehe, some of hte judges themeslvs are huge, not tall, just huge lol i really do think it has to do with certain speakres as well, some have a wider radiating pattern than others b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtp Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 Got my car back from CarToys for round two. I insisted they move the tweeters... and they found a way. They hand drilled out the faux perforation holes in the stock speaker grill and mounted them (albeit very tightly) next to the Mid, just like in Manville's picture posted above. I also asked them to swap out one of the amps to a JL with a bass control knob. The only one they had in stock was the e1200. And with that they installed the an upgraded sub, the JL 10w3-d2. All in all, this is MUCH better! The staging is better, the imaging is better, the highs are not as harsh (but I still have everything set low on the Focals -6dB and mid-flat). The sub is much warmer... which could be due to the JL amp, too. My iPod playlist is 100% better on this system... I actually enjoy listening to the tracks now. All this AND a $21 refund! I still think there might be a phase issue... which should be wired out of phase, the tweeter or the mid (Manville?)? He said the tweeters were, but I thought it was supposed to be the mid. Also, I was thinking of going up to the 1400D, but that would cost another $150+. Would there be a noticeable difference (clarity, depth, etc) in having more clean power delivered to the W3 at the same given volume? Finally, what is everyone's take on tipping the installers on this type of install? I'll post updated pics tonight when I get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderguy Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Woohoo! I thnk it was mid out of phase, not the tweeter, but play with it & see what sounds right to you. It was just the right front out of phase on Manville's I think, definitely not both. Tipping - if they went over & above, why not? But it sounds like they just didn't do it right the first time. Why not tip them the $21 refund if you think they earned it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 FWIW, i had installed my tweeters in the stock tweeter location and indeed it was harsh, but the treble on my speakers was low to begin with so it wasnt bad... i also just UNinstalled everything in my car. i went back to stock. i got a cleansweep and fiberglass box and amps/sub up for grabs. It aws good while it lasted but im looking to go in another direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msmith Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 My left door mid is in reverse polarity. Glad it's sounding better now and very glad that they didn't give you a hard time and did the right thing for you. If you're running a 10W3-D4 with coils in parallel (2 ohms) you're getting 200 Watts to the sub which is enough for good sound. The e1400D would give you 400 watts or 3dB more clean output without overstressing the sub. It's up to you, really. I run the 1400 in my car on a 10W6v2 and it's plenty of power. As for tipping the installers... keep in mind that the installer probably didn't get paid for the re-do, so it would certainly be appreciated by him if you gave him a few bucks ($40-$50 or so). This way, you can be sure that he will take care of any future tweaks and issues promptly and with a smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtp Posted March 17, 2006 Author Share Posted March 17, 2006 Thanks, Manville. I've actually got a 10w3-d2... they said it's wired so I'm running 275w @ 2ohms... Why would an Optima Yellow Top go to 14.5v? I went back to pick up my old battery and tried to tip... they turned it down. Here are a few new pics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msmith Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Are you sure it's a D2? The D2 is a dual 2 ohm voice coil so it can only be wired as a 1 ohm or 4 ohm woofer. The D4 (dual 4 ohm) can be wired as a 2 ohm woofer. If it is, they probably wired the coils in series (4 ohms) which means you're only getting 120W at 12.5 V or 175W at 14.4V. The e1200 is optimized for 2 ohms (200W at 12.5V, 270@ at 14.4 V). If it's loud enough don't worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderguy Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Whoa - are you saying a DVC sub can't be run on only a single coil? I've done that in the past with no ill effects (JL sub actually) - bad juju? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcbjr Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Yeah, I have always heard to drive both, never just one. I forgot what I was supposed to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderguy Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Why not - what's the prob? The coils are either wound on top of each other or forward / reverse as I understand it, which wouldn't effect anything if only one coil was used. Maybe manufacturer-specific? MS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcbjr Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Not sure the technical specifics, but JL's sub manuals all say to connect both coils at all times. I forgot what I was supposed to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcbjr Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Q: Is it necessary to wire both voice coils of my subs up to an amplifier? A: Yes, by only wiring one voice coil, you can cause damage to the subwoofer making it unplayable. You always need to wire both voice coils together. http://www.audiobahn.com/faqs.html I forgot what I was supposed to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderguy Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Uh oh - RTP - looks like I gave you some bad advice on this... I'd still like to know why/how this is bad. Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtp Posted March 17, 2006 Author Share Posted March 17, 2006 What if it was wired in parallel? In terms of loudness... it's ok. Fine for normal listening, but if I gain it up just a bit it really starts to sound muddy. The bass control knob has very limited impact, up or down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcbjr Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Parallel is fine. It just halves the ohm load (ok if that's what you want) but reduces the damping (bad in any case). I forgot what I was supposed to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcbjr Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 http://www.adireaudio.com/Files/TechPapers/DualVoiceCoilDrivers.pdf I forgot what I was supposed to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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