wukindada Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 So what is the new setup going to be? Inquiring minds want to know;) PM me! Toyota 6EATS .........SUCK!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilT Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 A majority does not make a right. That bar is hinged with non-camed bolts. The endplates look like they're made of paper. $10 says a full sized adult couldn't stand on that bar without either the endplates folding like orgami paper or the bar bending. Oh wait, you can't even do that test without locking down the endplates since they're hinged... Warren Strut bars are only designed to take compressive and tensile stresses, not bending stresses. Yes it would bend if you stood on it, but that's not what it's designed for. Double Award Winning Legacy GT Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB34 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 I'm only going with the front strut bar (dress it up a bit even if it isn't that functional), I don't want the rear one sticking around in my trunk. I have been informed by another member that I am way better off to go with the rear sway bar for that tension in the back... and that it is well worth the money for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scans007 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I'm only going with the front strut bar (dress it up a bit even if it isn't that functional), I don't want the rear one sticking around in my trunk. I have been informed by another member that I am way better off to go with the rear sway bar for that tension in the back... and that it is well worth the money for one. Sways on these cars are AWESOME.....well worth every cent....... Strut bars, pretty much a waste of money, only for looks maybe .5% gain in handling...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Wangspeed....your last comment should have closed the deal.....Buy the cheap knockoffs...they are safer (they will bend on impact) Doesnt that defeat the purpose of 2 accounts? 1) wasting money 2) it doesnt brace anything Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Stru bars are only designed to take compressive and tensile stresses, not bending stresses. Yes it would bend if you stood on it, but that's not what it's designed for. Even so, using bolts to secure it will only deflect the forces, causing the bar to bend.. for any car, a solid bar from one end of the mounting point to the other is best. Imagine if your roll cage was not welded, and instead, it was hinged and bolted in many pieces of bolts and elbow corner joints and collar fittings "for easy installation".... I wouldnt trust that "cage" if you gave me $20 million to race it. Get my point? Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilT Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Even so, using bolts to secure it will only deflect the forces, causing the bar to bend.. for any car, a solid bar from one end of the mounting point to the other is best. Imagine if your roll cage was not welded, and instead, it was hinged and bolted in many pieces of bolts and elbow corner joints and collar fittings "for easy installation".... I wouldnt trust that "cage" if you gave me $20 million to race it. Get my point? Not really, no. If the tower brackets are securely bolted, then the cross beam only has two pivot points. If the towers try and move closer together or further apart, then there can be no movement of the pivots. You need a third point to allow any movement to occur. Double Award Winning Legacy GT Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCDetails Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Man.... all this discussion over a little bling. Can't we all just get a bong? _________________________________________ “Cleanliness becomes more important as godliness becomes more unlikely.” O C D E T A I L S . C O M OCDETAILS BLOG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Man.... all this discussion over a little bling. Can't we all just get a bong? I know I'm up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxerGT2.5 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Who gives a shit, just put whatever the hell you want on YOUR car. OBAMA......One Big Ass Mistake America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Not really, no. If the tower brackets are securely bolted, then the cross beam only has two pivot points. If the towers try and move closer together or further apart, then there can be no movement of the pivots. You need a third point to allow any movement to occur. you're forgetting the fact of the chassis twisting, not just pushing the towers together. Imagine the left shock tower moving "UP" and the right shock tower moving "DOWN".. when that happens, you'll still get a borked chassis.. two pivot points is just still too much. your lower half of the car is not going to align with the top half of the car... from a head on-shot of the car, your car will look like a parallelogram.. you want a perfect trapezoid (or square if your shocks are really upright with the strut tower bar and the sway bar) with no hinged points. Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilT Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 you're forgetting the fact of the chassis twisting, not just pushing the towers together. Imagine the left shock tower moving "UP" and the right shock tower moving "DOWN".. when that happens, you'll still get a borked chassis.. two pivot points is just still too much. your lower half of the car is not going to align with the top half of the car... from a head on-shot of the car, your car will look like a parallelogram.. you want a perfect trapezoid (or square if your shocks are really upright with the strut tower bar and the sway bar) with no hinged points. You better put a piece of 3" schedule 120 pipe across the towers then, as no strut bar in existance can stop that movement Double Award Winning Legacy GT Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Who gives a shit, just put whatever the hell you want on YOUR car. /thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 You better put a piece of 3" schedule 120 pipe across the towers then, as no strut bar in existance can stop that movement that's what a full cage is for Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wangspeed Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 The only properly engineered strut tower bar that I've seen so far for the LGT. Guess who it's made by? http://www.avoturboworld.com/avoshop/product_info.php?cPath=1_58_3_66&products_id=300 Warren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach_six Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/parts/blbp_legacy/largeimage/2-6.jpg Their STi strut bar for the BP/BL looks like the ebay ones. So it seems their design has been ripped off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonetc Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 don't buy those, i got some from aspec products, they don't fit, and they are a total pain in the ass to deal with on getting a refund. the product is shit and they suck to deal with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB34 Posted March 24, 2006 Author Share Posted March 24, 2006 I was sent the wrong one completely.... so irritating. They asked me to take a picture and send it to them to make sure. I laughed and told them that the one they sent only has two screw holes on each side to mount, and the bar is atleast 6 inches short. They'll be picking it up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonetc Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 that is hilarious,they did the same thing to me, asked me for a picture, then asked me to trace the bracket, then they faxed me a trace of what they thought was the right bracket and it was the same as the one I faxed them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatman Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 I actually did OK with one of those aspec cheapies. Just had to take a little material off the engine cover (about 3/4 of an inch) to kill a rattle. I believe it did some good to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCDetails Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 No trouble with my revotec bar so far. It looks pretty much just like the STi one except for the fact the STi bracket are complete rings and the revotec is partial. _________________________________________ “Cleanliness becomes more important as godliness becomes more unlikely.” O C D E T A I L S . C O M OCDETAILS BLOG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KartRacerBoy Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Just saw these on ebay, didn't bother looking through the GT forums. I was wondering if anybody knew anything about them. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8044039643&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT I bought this same strut bar just before this thread began and just received it yesterday. I took it out today and tried to see if the mountings for the strut bolts lined up correctly. Answer is "probably" but I can't be sure because with the bolts extended through the sheet metal, the mountings can't be put on. Do the bolts just drop down when the nut is loosened or does the entire strut have to be dropped? Or am I once again simply exposing my mechanical ignorance for all to see? Help! I thought these FSBs were simple to mount. And it looks like the bar itself may foul a hard line running out of the firewall and up directly behind the motor and below the scuttle. Help! What a fool am I to buy cheap crap off ebay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCDetails Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Maybe this will help. _________________________________________ “Cleanliness becomes more important as godliness becomes more unlikely.” O C D E T A I L S . C O M OCDETAILS BLOG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KartRacerBoy Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Maybe this will help. Thanks. I'll give it another shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KartRacerBoy Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Mr. OCDetails, Yes, you were right and took less than 20 minutes. Guess that horrible crescent wrench accident that took 9 of my fingers really shook my confidence with tools. I just couldn't believe the strut mount would shove down over the bolts. Took the car out for a quick spin around some 2nd gear corners but too much traffic. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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