norutah Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) Starting to consider a PPG gear set for my 5mt or a built 5mt or a 6mt swap. My car is a 2005 OB XT. I'm in northern Utah and I'll travel a decent distance or pay freight. What's out there? Added: I'd buy a blown up 6mt car if the price was right Sent from my HD1925 using Tapatalk Edited May 25, 2021 by norutah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Subbed, I 'd like to know as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 i collect 5mt and 6mt. there's no new 6mt being made, so its a limited supply pool. zf transmission in Colorado is probably your best bet for a customized 6mt Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Dont forget Ralispec in NJ. curious what kind of power you are making or type of driving you are doin in an outback XT to warrant that level of gearset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 ppg decal...ftw Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 $3k for parts/labor on a gear box just to get a sticker......seems legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norutah Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 Dont forget Ralispec in NJ. curious what kind of power you are making or type of driving you are doin in an outback XT to warrant that level of gearset.I was back on the rollers to adjust for EWG last week @turbolab made 380 tq. Backed off to 350 and the car was very happy there, backed off again to 330/320 and left it for now. What kind of driving? If I had to label it I'd say teenager with no concept of mechanical limits. Warranting stronger trans? Pay now or pay later I guess. Sent from my HD1925 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norutah Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 i collect 5mt and 6mt. there's no new 6mt being made, so its a limited supply pool. zf transmission in Colorado is probably your best bet for a customized 6mtI was considering a built 5 Mt or a stock 6mt. You collect 6mt? Any for sale? Sent from my HD1925 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norutah Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 $3k for parts/labor on a gear box just to get a sticker......seems legit. [emoji38]$3k for a strong trans and a sticker sounds fair, or I could spend it on a shiny new set of wheels I guess. Do the wheels come with a sticker too? Sent from my HD1925 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 When I was prepping for endurance racing, I was going to keep an engine & transmission mated up to swap in. so have 2 6mt and 3 5mt. I should offload them. All were from running cars so should be in good condition. I'll dig up part numbers and post on my dormant for sale thread Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 if you drive like a teenager, your 5mt has a life of about 10k miles at that power rating. or less. My 97k 5mt, failed twice in 20k miles of drive like it was stolen. The replacement has been alot less abused Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I was back on the rollers to adjust for EWG last week @turbolab made 380 tq. Backed off to 350 and the car was very happy there, backed off again to 330/320 and left it for now. What kind of driving? If I had to label it I'd say teenager with no concept of mechanical limits. Warranting stronger trans? Pay now or pay later I guess. Sent from my HD1925 using Tapatalk ok, well in reality the 5mt can handle that power so long as you aren't doing clutch drops or running r-comps. the real issue with the 5mt is case flex since its a split case design. you can buy blast plates to stiffen up the box to help that issue. Sure, gearsets will help, but without case strengthening, the benefits from the gears will be diminished unless you go straight cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 ok, well in reality the 5mt can handle that power so long as you aren't doing clutch drops or running r-comps. the real issue with the 5mt is case flex since its a split case design. you can buy blast plates to stiffen up the box to help that issue. Sure, gearsets will help, but without case strengthening, the benefits from the gears will be diminished unless you go straight cut. you know, Ive heard about the case problems since day one. both of my failures had nothing to do with the case. speed shifting stripped 3&4. 5th is not a suitable gear for the track, especially if you run r-comp tires. you can get blast plates and upgraded gear sets for 5mt. You can also get a used 6mt. Once you start upgrading the 6mt, you can light piles of money. if you really want custom gears, figure out what you want to do then put together a gearset. Me personally, I'd make 6th gear hardened and good for 200mph. 1-2 would be autox fun, 2-4 track fun, 5 overdrive. 6? doesn't come into play until you're over 130. But I wanted to do Silver States. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) the case problems are what cause the gears to strip. under load, the flex allows the gears move apart and partially un-mesh, and when the gears are like that they are only transmitting tq on the tip of the tooth and not the full face of the tooth. So once a gear breaks, it cause a chain reaction to the rest of the gear. Adding blast plates resolves this issue somewhat, and doing straight cut lower gears will allow more of the tq to be distributed across the tooth, but straight cut gears aren't really necessary below 400wtq. fwiw, the rear R160 vlsd diff is the true weak point of the 5mt cars. i busted more rear diffs than gearboxes launching with r-comps on a stage 2+ car......then the axles went. Edited May 25, 2021 by whitetiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 based on your tales, I never launched my wagon. Always rolled on power. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 lessons well learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norutah Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 This is all great info. Thank you both for sharing. The good news is I do not launch the car. I am generally moving when I remember I have power on tap and decide it's time to smash gas. I'll buy blast plates and watch for @boxkita to sell a 6mt swap Sent from my HD1925 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 (edited) if you havent done them already, group.n motor and trans mounts and upgrade the rear diff bushings, the more you can cushion driveline shock while keeping twist to a minimum, the better everything will be with the blast plates. Edited May 26, 2021 by whitetiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 you could buy the race wagon and skip this lunacy. jdm forester sti 6mt and associated parts already installed. imsa level cage to really feel the road... Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norutah Posted May 26, 2021 Author Share Posted May 26, 2021 you could buy the race wagon and skip this lunacy. jdm forester sti 6mt and associated parts already installed. imsa level cage to really feel the road...I've considered this option. Sell the wife's Legacy or daily it, put her in the outback, by race wagon and race it Sent from my HD1925 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infosecdad Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 Go to WA, buy race wagon, come back to Utah with an extra 6mt, I'll pick it up from you when I come out west Win, win, win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Go to WA, buy race wagon, come back to Utah with an extra 6mt, I'll pick it up from you when I come out west Win, win, win you could always come out to seattle. I'm sure another long roof meet could happen Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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