COVID-19 - who's got some?

[DickDastardly00]

Yep, my Hannaford market has that service. I still prefer selecting my own groceries.

 

Indoor dining features customers without a mask, which I obviously find concerning. I'm not so concerned for myself as I believe I already had it and a positive antibody test. My concern is for the broader effects on the country, the at-risk, economy and especially the health of our health care systems and the dedicated staff working therein.

 

Sometimes the service irks me, like the time they couldn't find the grain-free pet food even though it was in-stock and I had to go in to the store. I found it right away of course, then went back to my car and still did the curbside pickup. But usually they do an alright job.

 

Small gripes aside, I don't miss the 1.5 hours I used to spend inside the store shopping when I can pick up and be on my way usually within 10 minutes. If you try it, you might have a tough time reverting back to in-store shopping because it's a huge time-saver.

 

Mid to late Summer we did dine outside at the local golf course (which has a pretty good rotation of beer). It was usually upper 80's or 90's and the tables were spaced pretty far apart every time we went. Outdoors in hot weather is probably fine as the virus can't live longer than a minute or two in direct sunlight exposure. But other than those few times, it's been takeout since March.

Edited December 15, 2020 by DickDastardly00

[Dre617]

Sometimes the service irks me, like the time they couldn't find the grain-free pet food even though it was in-stock and I had to go in to the store. I found it right away of course, then went back to my car and still did the curbside pickup. But usually they do an alright job.

 

Small gripes aside, I don't miss the 1.5 hours I used to spend inside the store shopping when I can pick up and be on my way usually within 10 minutes. If you try it, you might have a tough time reverting back to in-store shopping because it's a huge time-saver.

 

 

Yea, the time saving part is key. We have had small gripes about certain items not listed in the BJs app when we know for a fact we have bought it in-store before but it is minor. I do subscription ship n save for my dog food from Amazon, not cuz it is cheaper (usually like $1-3 less in-store) but consistency, tho 4 years with these same 2 dogs and we still cant figure out if we need the food every 3 or 4 weeks :lol::lol:.

[ehsnils]

Mid to late Summer we did dine outside at the local golf course (which has a pretty good rotation of beer). It was usually upper 80's or 90's and the tables were spaced pretty far apart every time we went. Outdoors in hot weather is probably fine as the virus can't live longer than a minute or two in direct sunlight exposure. But other than those few times, it's been takeout since March.

 

 

The lack of sunlight this season probably explains why it's taking off now. Maybe 'hot spots' should invest in UV lamps.

[HDTurbo]

I did 2 outdoor dinings in the warm weather, also at places with a defensible beef menu. Somehow I feel safer when good beer is being consumed. Are you familiar with the guitarist Oz Noy? Damn good and impressive list of collaborators.

[Dre617]

I did 2 outdoor dinings in the warm weather, also at places with a defensible beef menu. Somehow I feel safer when good beer is being consumed. Are you familiar with the guitarist Oz Noy? Damn good and impressive list of collaborators.

 

 

I also did a couple outdoor dining ngl before wife got preggo. Now its just order out or cook internally. Since I will prolly be WFH till next year, I can only wish I get to stay like this till paternity leave is needed.

[DickDastardly00]

The lack of sunlight this season probably explains why it's taking off now. Maybe 'hot spots' should invest in UV lamps.

 

Protective eyewear for the UV lamps too since they cause can cause eye damage.

 

Speaking of protective eyewear, I don't wear any, and I would venture a guess that most people don't either, they mask up and that's it. I know there isn't any data on this, but I really wonder how many Covid transmissions occur through the eyes.

 

All I could find (besides Fauci's recommendation that protective eyewear would definitely help reduce transmission), is this article (which is based on the lancet study linked in the quote below)

 

 

In addition to social distancing, hand-washing and wearing face masks, the use of eye protection, such as goggles, visors and face shields, may help keep infection rates low for health care workers and others, according to a recent systematic review and meta-analysis of 172 studies from 16 countries and six continents that was recently published in The Lancet.

 

While the research isn’t conclusive, wearing eye protection may make COVID-19 transmission about three times less likely, according to the study. The risk of transmission was reduced from 16% to 5.5% on average for people who protected their eyes with goggles, face shields and other eye PPE compared with those who didn’t apply any eye covering. For the general public, "eye protection is typically under-considered," the study authors pointed out, even though it can be "effective in community settings."

Edited December 15, 2020 by DickDastardly00

[HDTurbo]

The lack of sunlight this season probably explains why it's taking off now. Maybe 'hot spots' should invest in UV lamps.

I believe it's because people are gathering indoors unprotected as it's cold and the holiday season!! Just like with "flu season".......

I also did a couple outdoor dining ngl before wife got preggo. Now its just order out or cook internally. Since I will prolly be WFH till next year, I can only wish I get to stay like this till paternity leave is needed.

Congratulations on the successful reproduction!

Protective eyewear for the UV lamps too since they cause can cause eye damage.

 

Speaking of protective eyewear, I don't wear any, and I would venture a guess that most people don't either, they mask up and that's it. I know there isn't any data on this, but I really wonder how many Covid transmissions occur through the eyes.

 

All I could find (besides Fauci's recommendation that protective eyewear would definitely help reduce transmission), is this article (which is based on the lancet study linked in the quote below)

I don't either, and wouldn't routinely if I was not previously exposed. Sure it would help but not as much as distance, masks, hand hygiene.

[ehsnils]

A pretty striking story here where 1 in 132 has succumbed to the Corona.

 

 

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/12/12/coronavirus-deaths-highest-us-rural-republican-leaning-county/3828902001/

[Dre617]

 

Congratulations on the successful reproduction!

 

 

Thanks, wife is now realizing she might have another gamer/computer nerd and is questioning life :lol:

[DickDastardly00]

 

Agreed. In my limited experience, people who dispute science can seldom be convinced otherwise, but that still leaves room for lots of interesting conversations about art, music, etc. (I once knew a college-educated woman ... a literary type ... who seriously claimed that airplanes couldn't fly, for the sole reason that she couldn't understand how they could fly. She could never quite reconcile this belief with the fact that she, herself, had seen airplanes flying many times.)

 

I'm still laughing at this comment because it completely ignores the scientific studies I was posting to back up my statements about masks being less effective than we hoped due to Aerosol transmission, but rather instead, I am accused of ignoring 'science'.

 

Who's science I was ignoring however was not revealed.

 

Now another study revealing the dangers of Aersol transmission in hospitals.

 

 

A new study from Central Hospital at France's University of Nantes shows COVID-19 can be detected in hospital 'air' in high amounts, which could explain how frontline healthcare workers contract the virus.

 

According to the researchers, the coronavirus can be detected in about one-in-four hospital Intensive Care Unit rooms with COVID-19 patients, in more than one-in-five hospital bathrooms, and in more than half of hospital hallways. The researchers note the presence of the virus in high concentration in the air, combined with poor ventilation and cramped circumstances, could lead to healthcare workers contracting the coronavirus despite safety precautions.

Safety precautions- meaning protective equipment like N95 masks. The only silver lining was only 9% of the cultures had viable viruses, however that is still significant.

 

 

Look, I don't want to be right about this, but I also don't appreciate being insulted for posting valid, science-based observations/studies about how transmission can occur (despite wearing protective gear)....especially by way of a snarky 'I am scientist, you're not so your opinion isn't valid. type of remark. That type of behavior usually stifles conversation when we want to be promoting it.

 

What I said from the very beginning was this:

 

-6 ft isn't enough

-masks are better than nothing but will not make invincible (see: 6ft isn't enough)

-Stay out of crowded places

 

 

None of that was false, none of that was 'ignoring science'.

 

Carry on.

Edited December 24, 2020 by DickDastardly00

[HDTurbo]

Apologies for any perceived snark, but you're really wasting your time on this crusade. Masks work. Certainly not 100% because of many many many potential reasons. I personally do not understand what you are trying to achieve by searching for likely rare articles that support your assertion.

 

Have an IPA, put on some old Bruce Cockburn (I recommend Circles in the Stream) and relax. Safe and Happy Holidays!

[tocinoman25]

I just finished with my quarantine fellas. It wasnt fun, felt just like the flu with sore back, dry hard cough, and no appetite for the first week. Lost my sense of smell and taste 4 days in. I just knew to keep drinking fluids and went through 2 1/2 jars raw organic honey, tea, lots of ginger, garlic, and lemon.

 

Only places I can think of contracting virus was at Home Depot, Suncoast Casino bowling alley, or local grocery store (La Bonita). I usually get groceries from Amazon and went out more than the usual the week I started getting symptoms. Sleep and rest was my friend and got my appetite back minus the taste and smell.

 

Cleared to go back to work yesterday and felt great to be back and active. I just let coworkers taste my cooking for salt and seasoning adjustments. But I did wrench on my Daily Honda Accord and did front end suspension and flush all fluids.

[DickDastardly00]

Apologies for any perceived snark, but you're really wasting your time on this crusade. Masks work. Certainly not 100% because of many many many potential reasons. I personally do not understand what you are trying to achieve by searching for likely rare articles that support your assertion.

 

Have an IPA, put on some old Bruce Cockburn (I recommend Circles in the Stream) and relax. Safe and Happy Holidays!

 

To be perfectly clear, I don't go out my way to find studies that support my opinion, I'm just a natural skeptic that questions things that dont add up.and when studies like this are published, often times I read them

 

Again masks work (mostly), but people really need to socially distance at least 12 ft and not make poor choices that put them at risk. I think we can all agree on that much.

 

As for the IPA,, I'm working on picking out a good one now, like the music choice too.

 

You have safe and merry Christmas too, thank you.

[boxkita]

finally had one of the deep nose tests. Got a sinus infection from it. Took several days to overcome.

[HDTurbo]

Sorry to hear. Did your doctor tell you that’s what happened?

[HDTurbo]

I'm just a natural skeptic that questions things that dont add up.

Then you ought to check out this site. Read and you’ll find these folks are the real deal in scientific fact, https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/

“One Day I Walk” is a great tune to play on your acoustic.

[DickDastardly00]

We're about to see the true price of the Holiday shopping season:

 

Costco workers test positive in COVID ‘superspreader,’ Washington officials

 

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article248177090.html

 

I just don't see how someone can expect to successfully socially-distance in a packed Costco when there simply isn't enough room to spread out. And, folks, this is exactly why it will get a lot worse before it gets better.

 

145 employees tested positive and that number will very likely be over 200 by Friday. So 200 plus employees out of a store that employs 383, all of them wearing masks during their shifts, and still this exposure happens.....Isn't that just amazing (sarc)

 

 

I'm not beating a dead horse or anything.....wait, actually I am, and very purposefully so too.

 

1.When will people understand that Masks don't make them invincible?

 

2.When will people understand that socially distancing is exponentially more important?

 

We have at least 4 months of this crap left, perhaps less if people starting making better decisions now. Won't happen but one can dream.

Edited December 31, 2020 by DickDastardly00

[ttnio]

scamdemic!

 

99.9% gets well without any vaccine.

 

needs a cure not a vaccine

[HDTurbo]

A vaccine is to prevent, not cure. And there are antiviral meds, they just don't work that well in everyone who might need them, and have more side effects. So sad the ongoing ignorance...

[DickDastardly00]

An unknown portion of those that recover do not "get well" though. In fact they may not ever get well.

 

 

 

From the Mayo Clinic (one of the best in country).

 

COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects

 

COVID-19 symptoms can sometimes persist for months. The virus can damage the lungs, heart and brain, which increases the risk of long-term health problems.

Most people who have coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) recover completely within a few weeks. But some people — even those who had mild versions of the disease — continue to experience symptoms after their initial recovery.

These people sometimes describe themselves as "long haulers" and the condition has been called post-COVID-19 syndrome or "long COVID-19."

 

Older people and people with many serious medical conditions are the most likely to experience lingering COVID-19 symptoms, but even young, otherwise healthy people can feel unwell for weeks to months after infection. The most common signs and symptoms that linger over time include:

 

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• Fatigue
  
• Shortness of breath
  
• Cough
  
• Joint pain
  
• Chest pain
  

Other long-term signs and symptoms may include:

 

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• Muscle pain or headache
  
• Fast or pounding heartbeat
  
• Loss of smell or taste
  
• Memory, concentration or sleep problems
  
• Rash or hair loss
  

Organ damage caused by COVID-19

 

 

 

Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can damage many other organs as well. This organ damage may increase the risk of long-term health problems. Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

 

 

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• Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
  
• Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
  
• Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.
  

 

Blood clots and blood vessel problems

 

 

COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.

 

Other parts of the body affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels and cause them to leak, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.

 

Problems with mood and fatigue

 

 

People who have severe symptoms of COVID-19 often have to be treated in a hospital's intensive care unit, with mechanical assistance such as ventilators to breathe. Simply surviving this experience can make a person more likely to later develop post-traumatic stress syndrome, depression and anxiety.

 

 

Because it's difficult to predict long-term outcomes from the new COVID-19 virus, scientists are looking at the long-term effects seen in related viruses, such as the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

Many people who have recovered from SARS have gone on to develop chronic fatigue syndrome, a complex disorder characterized by extreme fatigue that worsens with physical or mental activity, but doesn't improve with rest. The same may be true for people who have had COVID-19.

[ehsnils]

If the disease just had a normal flu activity with some sudden unpredictable deaths it wouldn't have been that bad, but it's straining the health care systems badly. Keeping people on ventilators requires a lot of resources.

[HDTurbo]

That has been the important takeaway, apart from the varied and unpredictable outcomes of the infected. Farewell Dawn Wells and the 41 year old congressman elect...today.

[derache123]

scamdemic!

 

99.9% gets well without any vaccine.

 

needs a cure not a vaccine

 

What is the logic here? "Curing" someone that got covid would be significantly more costly than just vaccinating them before they got it in the first place, not to mention eliminating the risk of them spreading it to others.

[Keyan]

LA hospitals are out of oxygen and bed are full.

 

Better hope you don't get into a car accident on the way to work, you'll have no where to go.

[boxkita]

LA hospitals are out of oxygen and bed are full.

 

Better hope you don't get into a car accident on the way to work, you'll have no where to go.

 

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