Val Demar Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Almost 90k miles on my 2010 LGT and timing belt replacement is looming. I do plan to keep the car for another 5 years at least so while the schedule calls for it at 105k miles I figure I may just do it sooner rather than later to play it safe. Is it a good idea to replace the water pump at the same time or anything else for that matter while they are there? As for the cost, I suck and usually just let the dealer do the job, anyone knows how many hours they bill for the timing belt? Edit: found this https://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/timing-belt-266024.html, seems it answers my questions ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaboo Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Yup good discussion in that thread, I agree. Timing belt kit with water pump, thermostat, coolant hoses, radiator cap, new coolant, new fanbelts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitexc Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I recently inquired with my local dealer about the timing belt job on my wife's '10 Forester and was quoted around $800, not including the water pump/hoses/coolant. They would replace the timing belt, tensioner, idler and the drive belts and inspect the water pump. This is a non-turbo car. For all that you listed I see over $1000 easy. Money well spent if you can't do the work yourself. While we are on the topic, do most people get OEM parts? The Aisin kit for around $230 doesn't seem bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I would buy the TB kit with OEM parts from https://sixstarbernie.com/c-1171146-timing-belts-more-oem-timing-belt-kits.html (They also sell on eBay as well) It will save some money over the Subaru online parts discounters. The 10-12 LGT water pump is unique and buy that from the dealership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Demar Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 I would buy the TB kit with OEM parts from https://sixstarbernie.com/c-1171146-timing-belts-more-oem-timing-belt-kits.html (They also sell on eBay as well) It will save some money over the Subaru online parts discounters. The 10-12 LGT water pump is unique and buy that from the dealership. Thanks, that looks good. The plan is to buy parts online and have the dealer install it, should save me a couple hundred compared to getting these at the over-the-counter markup at the dealership. I'm overall happy with my dealer's service department and I don't have time to experiment with independent shops, I know some are good and less money, but for 4 hour labor the labor price differential isn't going to be all that much in my area at a decent independent place, and I can usually get a loaner and a free car wash at the dealer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Thanks, that looks good. The plan is to buy parts online and have the dealer install it, should save me a couple hundred compared to getting these at the over-the-counter markup at the dealership. I'm overall happy with my dealer's service department and I don't have time to experiment with independent shops, I know some are good and less money, but for 4 hour labor the labor price differential isn't going to be all that much in my area at a decent independent place, and I can usually get a loaner and a free car wash at the dealer You shouldn't be shy of having the dealer parts department price match either. Call and ask them before you order the parts. Also make sure you aren't foregoing the warranty automatically included in dealer repairs by ordering the parts yourself. There are various reasons dealers charge more for certain things. Dont be afraid to question it, and be sure they know you plan to use them for the work and for future work, they will usually work with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Demar Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 You shouldn't be shy of having the dealer parts department price match either. Call and ask them before you order the parts. Also make sure you aren't foregoing the warranty automatically included in dealer repairs by ordering the parts yourself. There are various reasons dealers charge more for certain things. Dont be afraid to question it, and be sure they know you plan to use them for the work and for future work, they will usually work with you. All good points, thanks. I've been their customer for many years, I'll make sure to mention it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Demar Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 The 6*bernie kit is some $200 less than the corresponding OEM set through online discounters. Something to think about, I doubt the dealer will be willing to match bernie's pricing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somac Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 You could go even cheaper than that by ordering from Rock Auto and getting the entire Aisin kit with those same components. When doing the timing kit, you should do: Timing belt Timing pulleys Water pump It's also a good time to do: Cam seals Front crank seal Spark plugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Valve cover gaskets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Demar Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 Valve cover gaskets. Aren't they in a completely different place? I mean, I need to draw a line somewhere or I may end up with a whole new engine as a part of TB replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 If you are going to do the spark plugs it is only a few more bolts, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Demar Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 If you are going to do the spark plugs it is only a few more bolts, lol. Ok, if I do the plugs. At the same time it seems it is something that can be done later on an as needed basis. The cam/crank seals do make more sense to replace at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cww516 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 If you're going to have the engine out, it'd be silly not to do the valve cover gaskets and spark plug tube seals, but if you're leaving it in the car, you could just wait until one starts to leak and do something about it then (or not). As far as the cam/crank seals- with the timing belt would be a convenient time to replace them, but honestly, if they aren't leaking, I'd consider leaving them alone. Sure, they may or may not leak in the future, but if you accidentally booger one of them up installing it, they'll leak right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herda2448 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I just replaced my timing belt with that AISIN TKF-006 kit myself about a month ago. Included 2 idlers, toothed idler and tensioner, water pump and belt. Along with two seals. Also replaced my serpentine belt and thermostat at the same time. Took me about 8 hours total time. Including radiator flush and burp after radiator fans and everything was in place. Mind you this was my first timing belt replacement I have attempted by myself. There are some great write ups on this forum or find yourself a step by step YouTube video and you’ll breeze through it. Everything fit together perfectly with no issues. I was quoted $750 for the timing kit replacement. TB kit, Serp belt, blue coolant, thermostat, spark plugs. Cost me $300. It easier than you think. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herda2448 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I forgot to mention I do have a non turbo 2.5 so there are some minor differences but by doing myself saved me about $600 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 The turbo models timing belts are quite a bit more labor intensive than the 2.5i EJ253, because the additional turbo piping, dual overhead cams and one of the water pump bolts is practically impossible to because the downpipe block it. (so you have to remove the downpipe which is easier to just drop the turbo and exhaust manifold/downpipe assembly together.) The are a couple thread that discuss the GT timing belt DIY procedure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Demar Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 Yeah, this is too big of a job if not for my mechanics skills then for my schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herda2448 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I stand corrected. There are a lot of differences in GT TB change. Not sure I would tackled it if it was that involved. It would have been sitting in my garage for week. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creep_nu Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 i've done quote a few N/A timing belts, along with other cars, but refused to do it on my GT...the $300 paid in labor to a former subaru master tech was well worth it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeuEmMaiMai Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 if you take it off replace it Idlers tensioners bearings etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Demar Posted January 12, 2019 Author Share Posted January 12, 2019 Dealer wants 7.5 hours @$130/hr water pump including sans cam/crank seals labor only, no break on parts pricing and no warranty if I supply the parts. Rape. Their labor rates went up, I guess no harm to get some quotes from independent shops, if nothing else maybe at least I won't feel too bad doing it at a dealer after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrD123 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 The dealer is probably asking for the book rate in terms of time, and charging their normal hourly rate (I don't know if that's high or low for your area). It's only "rape" if they are charging a lot more than the going hourly rate, or if they do poor quality work. If going with the dealer means it's done right with OEM parts, that might be worth the cost. Not uncommon for places to not give a discount on parts if you have never done business with them in the past. You can always ask for a break on parts, maybe provide internet costs (shipped) for the parts list and see if they will match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Demar Posted January 12, 2019 Author Share Posted January 12, 2019 I know. I usually let the dealer do the work for the reasons you mentioned but it doesn't mean I don't feel a bit raped when I drive away. I gave them discouted online pricing, they won't budge. If I go all in I'm looking to spend $1,500. All in all not a big deal when amortized over typical ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Or when you consider the Subaru dealer network will stand behind the work for at least the next 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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