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we all know the limited series legacy blitzen . my question is this : did porsche give any type of new tehnology to subaru :O 'cause i'm kindda surprised to find out that subaru worked with porsche on this project.


all i found out so far is that subaru went to industrial design specialists Porsche Design for help in designing much of the bodywork for the Blitzen.perhaps it's also where the german naming came from, too.

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FHI would have been a little out of it to not dissect a Porsche boxer engine in order to develop one of their own... It would be like saying that Subaru tried octagonal wheels before realizing that other companies were using round ones...


Whether Porshce and FHI were cooperating actively, I have no idea. But German and Japanese technology cooperation previously had generated some of the beginning engineering in the areas of both jet aircraft, as well as rocketry. German and Japanese engineers after WWII came to the US to work, including some from Nakajima Aircraft (SP?) the big predecessor to Fuji Heavy Industries, the parent of Subaru.


A german-japanese connection with automotive engineering would not be unheard of, especially later after the reconstruction of Germany and Japan by the United States, and the rest of the allies.


As for the Blitzen, I believe the previous generation had a PorscheDesign body kit. and the twin sequential turbo 2.0 flat four from the RSK model.

I am not sure that the body kit for the 2005 Blitzen sedan, or the 06 Touring wagon were done by PorscheDesign, but perhaps it is... but it is basically a dressed 2.0 GT Spec B

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They have in the past, but I think you are right; there is nothing to support the WWII claim I made.



That's the Wikipedia entry for Porsche. It is technically correct. FHI did contract with Porsche Engineering Group for the styling of the first Legacy Blitzen. Subaru Japan's webpages at the time referred to Porsche Design as having provided design assistance. But the company that is called Porsche Design Group now is unlikely to have helped FHI style the Blitzen (see http://www.porsche-design.com/live/PD_Company_Portrait_en.PorscheDesign?ActiveID=44417).


My problem is that people keep asserting that Porsche Engineering Group has helped FHI with engineering (not styling) services. Maybe Porsche has helped, but there is no way to say for sure, unless FHI itself reports it. Porsche Engineering Group will not reveal a list of clients along with the work they've done for them. The Subaru Japan site no longer mentions Porsche, so there's much doubt about whether they had any part in the styling of the latest Blitzens.

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All the stuff about Porsche started with the B4, because Subaru did have exploratory discussions with them about "stuff" - mostly chassis tuning as far as we know. Then a gent from Porsche commented to some hack that the car was so fundamentally well done that they did not feel they could add value and stood aside - so in effect Porsche Design (which is very different from the car guys) helped with styling on the Blitzen of 2000, and those wheels stayed till the end of the BE/BH era. The new car has very little to do with P. D. AFAIK.


The first of the BL/BP era Blitzens was based on the GT (long gearing, soft suspension, 17" rims, not much special about it other than the bling bits). It did not sell up a storm as the BE/BH era cars had things like upgraded brakes and a front diff on the manuals to make them more than just a pretty face.


The Blitzen at TMS is based on the spec B (stiffer suspension, 18" rims, a lot more aggro in its stance). It certainly had more impact than the last one that (IMHO) looked rather weak.



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I thought posting the photos would help the dicussion:

















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