2_From_NH Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I've been thinking about lifting my Legacy and turning it into an Outback Sedan. AFAIK, all I really need to do this are the springs and struts, correct? No craziness like control arms or anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkywitness Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I want to do this too, no one would answer me so good luck... How much of a lift do you want? For me I am trying to get a simple 1.25" front/rear spacers so nothing too crazy, and I have been scouring ebay and the outback forum for the front bumper to match my color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2_From_NH Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) I want to do this too, no one would answer me so good luck... How much of a lift do you want? For me I am trying to get a simple 1.25" front/rear spacers so nothing too crazy. I want to be able to run decent offroad tires (Yokohama Geolanders) and run the stock Outback size (or larger), so I would hope for about 2" of lift when it's all said and done. I mostly want to be able to beat my car up during rallycross and not worry about it! It's pretty straight forward, and really depends on 1) how much you want to spend, and 2) how thorough you want to be. You can do it the simple way with King Springs, or the thorough way be replacing ALOT of parts with Outback parts, just to be sure lol. I have scoured the Subaru parts catalog to find what's different but relevant. I also found this thread outlining how a similar lift was done on a 5th gen, and this thread highlighting what parts work in best and why. It's about lowering, but still. - STRUT COMPLETE-FRONT LEFT 20310AL05A ( x1 ) - STRUT COMPLETE-FRONT RIGHT 20310AL04A ( x1 ) - SPRING SEAT-FRONT STRUT,UPPER 20323AL01A ( x2 ) - COIL SPRING-FRONT 20330AL06A ( x1 ) - COIL SPRING-FRONT 20330AL07A ( x1 ) - HELPER-FRONT STRUT 20321AG011 ( x1 ) - HELPER-FRONT STRUT 20321AG010 ( x1 ) - SHOCK ABSORBER-REAR 20365AL02A ( x2 ) - COIL SPRING-REAR 20380AL04A ( x1 ) - COIL SPRING-REAR 20380AL05A ( x1 ) - STOPPER-UPPER 20176AJ040 ( x2 ) - STOPPER-UPPER 20176AJ04A ( x2 ) - LINK ASSEMBLY-STABILIZER,REAR 20470AJ010 ( x1 ) - LINK ASSEMBLY-STABILIZER,REAR 20470SC000 ( x1 ) - REAR ARM ASSEMBLY, UPPER LEFT 20252AJ02A ( x1 ) - REAR ARM ASSEMBLY, UPPER RIGHT 20252AJ03A ( x1 ) The really important stuff is of course the suspension parts like the control arms, as those allow you to keep good geometry. I have been scouring ebay and the outback forum for the front bumper to match my color. Have you checked car-part.com? They normally have a good selection of stuff. I can't do that, since no one wants to ship big stuff to Hawaii. But, the bumpers aren't expensive, so I was thinking of just getting them, putting them on, painting them later. Would be easier than trying to find a Lapis Blue Pearl bumper that's not all marked up, and is still in good shape. - BUMPER FACE-FRONT 57704AL01A ( x1 ) - Bumper Underguard Front E551SAL000 ( x1 ) - COVER-INTAKE,FRONT 57731AL03A ( x1 ) - FOG LIGHT ASSEMBLY-FRONT RIGHT 84501AL04A ( x1 ) - FOG LIGHT ASSEMBLY-FRONT LEFT 84501AL05A ( x1 ) - GARNISH-SIDE SILL,LEFT 91112AL57A ( x1 ) - GARNISH-SIDE SILL,RIGHT 91112AL56A ( x1 ) - GARNISH-DOOR,LEFT 91112AL53A ( x1 ) - GARNISH-DOOR,RIGHT 91112AL52A ( x1 ) - LETTER MARK-FRONT DOOR 93063AL000 ( x2 ) - GARNISH-REAR DOOR,LEFT 91112AL55A ( x1 ) - GARNISH-REAR DOOR,RIGHT 91112AL54A ( x1 ) - BUMPER-FACE,REAR 57704AL11A ( x1 ) - Bumper Underguard Rear E551SAL200 ( x1 ) - LETTER MARK-REAR 93079AL000 ( x1 ) - REFLEX REFLECTOR ASSEMBLY-LEFT 84281AL01A ( x1 ) - REFLEX REFLECTOR ASSEMBLY-RIGHT 84281AL00A ( x1 ) And as for the body parts, these are the ones that I've identified. From what I can tell, they aren't exactly bolt on, but are close enough. You'd have to drill a couple holes here and there, but most of the stuff should fit without issue. But, I haven't gone down that road yet. Hell, there are still days I want to start auto crossing it, which is a COMPLETELY different build path! All in all, I'm not 100% sure that I would need EVERY part that I listed. But, buying all these parts from Subaru would run about $3k. And of course, if you just want a lift, then Flat Out Suspensions coilovers are $2k, and are more than you would ever need! Edited June 25, 2017 by 2_From_NH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
au_liberty Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Subscribed, I'd like to do this also! Sent from my SM-N920I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Why not get an Outback straight off then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkywitness Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Why not get an Outback straight off then? Hooray, I love it when people type these kinds of comments, they are so helpful! Oh it doesn't matter that we already have the Legacy, or that maybe we didn't want a wagon, or that the idea just came to us randomly after getting the Leagcy, thanks for being super helpful!! :lol::lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2_From_NH Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Why not get an Outback straight off then? For the same reason I didn't get a WRX: I wanted a Legacy. Just because I bought a car one way doesn't meant that I have to live with it that way. And, Subaru also used to offer an Outback Sedan, just like they used to offer a Legacy Wagon. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YNC2ig5OfA8/VMZ_u5RGOtI/AAAAAAAAiDA/Aadoc-bSnZY/s1600/1.JPG Plus, stock cars are never good enough for me lol. Take for example the engine swap I did in my autocross car. Why? Because I wanted it to be more fun! Edited June 25, 2017 by 2_From_NH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XT-sub Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 This subaruoutback.org ‘Lowering ride height’ topic discusses going the other way, with this post by ronemus being interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2_From_NH Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 This subaruoutback.org ‘Lowering ride height’ topic discusses going the other way, with this post by ronemus being interesting. Thanks for that link! That was actually pretty helpful. And, I found it amusing that he got flamed for asking the same thing I did. Apparently Outback owners don't like thinking outside the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inspiredbyhorsepower Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Don't forget when you're running a taller tire, you don't have the high torque CVT the outback gets. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2_From_NH Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 Don't forget when you're running a taller tire, you don't have the high torque CVT the outback gets. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk Oh! I thought the 2.5 had the same CVT regardless. Hmm, that puts a different light on things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkywitness Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Don't forget when you're running a taller tire, you don't have the high torque CVT the outback gets. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk The 2.5 outback gets the high torque cvt that the 3.6r gets, and the 2.5 legacy gets shafted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inspiredbyhorsepower Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 That's correct unfortunately. It's because the Leggy is a family sedan and the Outback is more for offroading (aka dirt roads lol) and it also has the diffs geared lower. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ammcinnis Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) Don't forget when you're running a taller tire, you don't have the high torque CVT the outback gets. No. The torque capacity requirement for the CVT (or any transmission) is determined by peak engine torque (plus some safety factor), not by tire size. The 2.5 outback gets the high torque cvt that the 3.6r gets, and the 2.5 legacy gets shafted? No. For all 2015-2017 Legacys and Outbacks, the 2.5 engine (FB25) is mated to the Gen 2 CVT (TR580), while the 3.6 engine (EZ36) is paired with the high-torque variant of the Gen 1 CVT (TR690). Again, the choice of CVT is determined by engine torque, not by tire size. Edited June 27, 2017 by ammcinnis "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there." ~ The Cheshire Cat (Alice in Wonderland) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inspiredbyhorsepower Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Thanks for the correct info!!! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2_From_NH Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 No. The torque capacity requirement for the CVT (or any transmission) is determined by peak engine torque (plus some safety factor), not by tire size. No. For all 2015-2017 Legacys and Outbacks, the 2.5 engine (FB25) is mated to the Gen 2 CVT (TR580), while the 3.6 engine (EZ36) is paired with the high-torque variant of the Gen 1 CVT (TR690). Again, the choice of CVT is determined by engine torque, not by tire size. Thanks for confirming what I had originally thought. This is my first CVT, so I was like "okay, I'll go with it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GINge Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 I want to do the same, maybe 1.5-2" lift and another inch from a 2" taller tire. Look something like this, maybe with some Geolander tires and roof rack & basket http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4083/34916861954_90f073c9a4_o.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeuEmMaiMai Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 if I am not mistaken I believe that the engine mounts are slightly different on an outback. will also need the longer brake lines on all 4 corners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GINge Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Bump - anyone tried Flatout's package? In addition to this, they offer a rally sprung kit. Looks like one would need subframe spacers and maybe trailing arm (?) adjustment to push the rear back a bit. https://flatoutsuspension.net/collections/subaru/products/legacy-grl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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