EuroVWGTi Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I plan to just replace my rear suspension to raise the back of my car. Plan to purchase the following: KYB GR-2 rears with King 1' raised springs. Stock or KYB top hats, with subtle 1' saggy rear aluminium saggy rear spacers. My concern is enough clearance for the shock and that extra 1' for strut recoil response. Also when the 2 inch spacer is put in place, aligment needs to be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nads Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 So why are you jacking up just the rear? Just a thought, there is a thread where someone put Outback suspension on their 5th get GT. Might give you an Idea on raising the suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 The spacer goes ON TOP of the tophat and has no bearing on the recoil of the spring and extended length of the shock at full extension. It is a body lift, not a suspension lift. In for pics of the absurd rake. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroVWGTi Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 I thought about doing the the outback setup, but i don't have the time or want to spend the money on a hybrid kit. Right now, i plan to do the rear since the front is ok. Eventually, i will do the front with a nose dive spacer kit. Using the same gr2 setup... but i cant seem to find raised springs. Good to kn ow on the spacer, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroVWGTi Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 Also, i doing rear because i keep bottoming out. Dealer said the shocks are good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroVWGTi Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 Also the reason i am doing rears i keep bottoming out. Even though the dealer is stating the rear shocks are in good condition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee199969 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Also, i doing rear because i keep bottoming out. Dealer said the shocks are good Just get some aftermarket springs (i.e. RCE blacks or H&R) and you won't bottom out. Sure there's a drop but it will travel less than the spongy stock springs. Or even try swapping out the 2010-12 springs for 2013-14 if you are concerned about lowering. My "Build" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 OP, what are you trying to accomplish? If you don't want to bottom out with the stock springs, just get Koni Yellow or KYB 2013-2014 OEM replacements rears and you're done, you won't bottom out anymore. The 2010-2012 stock rear shocks are awful, severely under-damped even for the stock spring. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nads Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 If the shocks were not removed and tested then they could be blown but that doesn't keep you from bottoming out, that's the springs job (with a few exceptions). The shock just dampens and controls the spring. Like Zee said you need a stiffer spring and the subsequent matched shock/strut to control it. I have a 14' and it never bottoms out. Just to help us help you, what situation are you specifically bottoming out on? Do you carry extra weight in the car, i.e. tools, stereo equipment, dead bodies, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroVWGTi Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 Hehe. Ultimately, i want to raise the car. I rather use raised spings and spacers, so I can get that 2 inch lift. I was planning to get a 1 to 1 replacement on kyb gr2 for the 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Do you have hitch on your car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Your easiest way to raise the car about 2-2.5 inches is to do Outback suspension. The lack of availability of King raised springs for the front is going be a PITA. You're doing it piecemeal the way you're proposing. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/project-legacy-gt-outback-begins-244041.html?t=244041&highlight=Outback+GT GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroVWGTi Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 No hitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarang Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 If you are doing this in response to bottoming out, and aren't married to the idea of a big lift, I would suggest 2014 3.6R springs w/ 1 inch strut spacers. That's what I currently have and I never bottom out during normal driving now. The '14 springs are much stiffer, and the mild 1" lift keeps my alignment within spec, so I don't need to invest in other suspension bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroVWGTi Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 If anything, i would do thia in the future for the front, since king springs are not available for the front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I seriously would not recommend raising the rear 2 inches and not doing the same with the front at the same time. Raising the rear only will result in a rake that is going to completely upset the handling dynamics of the car. It will shift weight forward, decrease your caster angle, and make the rear want to oversteer something fierce. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nads Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I seriously would not recommend raising the rear 2 inches and not doing the same with the front at the same time. Raising the rear only will result in a rake that is going to completely upset the handling dynamics of the car. It will shift weight forward, decrease your caster angle, and make the rear want to oversteer something fierce. I second this x 10000000. Not knowing the rate of the King spring is potentially pouring gas on the fire your proposing. If you want lift sell the car and buy an Outback or use the Outback setup. If you do jack it up in the rear only at least put some 15x10 wide rims on the back with 295/60/15's on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 OP, what are you trying to accomplish? I will ask again. Raising it to get rid of bottoming out is not the solution. You need stiffer springs and shocks that can control them. Many of us are lower than you at your stock height, yet we don't bottom out. You need understand what is going on here....your problem is really really under-damped shocks that cannot control the spring's movement adequately. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroVWGTi Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 Ok, i will put this on the drawing board again. Hehe just do coilovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Just get a pair of Koni 8010-1055S shocks and throw them in there with a pair of 2013-2014 Legacy rear springs. It will be a completely different car. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroVWGTi Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 Any special part number? Like is see that that koni comes in different flavors. Is it still worth it to get the spacers at least? What is the part number on the springs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I had never bottomed my Legacy out on the stock suspension. How many miles are on you 2011? Are your road particularly bad in your area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nads Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Any special part number? Like is see that that koni comes in different flavors. Is it still worth it to get the spacers at least? What is the part number on the springs? Spacers will not give your suspension more range of motion. It will still bottom out, but your body will be further away from the wheels. If your not looking for added ground clearance, then stiffer springs and the proper struts to control them is the solution. 2013/2014 Legacy springs (doesn't matter what model they all got the same spring) and either OEM struts and shocks from the same or Koni's like GT has mentioned. If you are looking for added ground clearance the OEM Outback is it. Case in point, my buddy has a 97' Tacoma 4x4. Previous owner lifted it with coil spacers. He found off roading that you still have the same suspension travel and he needed more. Out when the OEM Spring and spacer and a longer spring (and proper Bilstein sock) was installed giving him the same lift with more suspension articulation. This is with an IFS front end. If you search the site, you'll find that the OEM 10-12' suspension was crap across the board. There is many a tales of woe of folks bottoming out, nose diving over speed bumps at 5 mph and whale boat type handling at higher speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Any special part number? Like is see that that koni comes in different flavors. Koni 8010-1055S Skip the spacers. These are the springs you want. http://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru_2014_Legacy36L-5AT-4WDR-Limited-Sedan-wEyeSight/COIL-SPRING-REAR/49230090/20380AJ10A.html GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nads Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 If the OP does get '13 springs I'd love some dimensions to calculate their rate befor they are installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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