Ryan in Texas Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 My shop said it would be better to have the car moved to an engine or performance shop to swap or rebuild the engine. So I am waiting on a call back from Kozmic Motorsports in Houston. The Nissan performance shop I use also worked on Subaru, but now send all their work to this place. So I would trust them on that referral. http://www.kozmicmotorsports.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thElement Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 The shop probably broke the bolt in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmedic Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 car-part.com is your friend. Here are 4 within 20 miles of zip 77018 Engine Subaru Legacy 2.5L (VIN 6, 6th digit), SOHC, AT,2.5L-0MI DC203708 Bill Dee's Auto Salvage USA-TX(Houston) Request_Quote 713-694-9696 Request_Insurance_Quote 2008 Engine Subaru Legacy 418108 $Call Almeda Auto Parts USA-TX(Houston) E-mail 877-212-3366 / 713-433-3636 16 2008 Engine Subaru Legacy WHITE,7-07,2.5,AUTO 012776 A Plus Auto Parts USA-TX(Pasadena) E-mail 1-866-278-7055 / 1-713-477-1000 18 2008 Engine Subaru Legacy Outback 12-07,2.5L,AT,AWD,-308,CK306 74,420 18604 $2500 Manuel's Used Auto Parts USA-TX(Pasadena) E-mail 1-800-435-5748 That said, it's generally just the valves that sustain damage following a timing belt failure. Very routine job to for a machine shop to replace the valves in the ones you've got. Pop the heads off, inspect the slugs, if OK have the valves replaced and carry on my wayward son. Upside: headgaskets will be replaced. . . which probably needed to happen anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan in Texas Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 car-part.com is your friend. Here are 4 within 20 miles of zip 77018 That said, it's generally just the valves that sustain damage following a timing belt failure. Very routine job to for a machine shop to replace the valves in the ones you've got. Pop the heads off, inspect the slugs, if OK have the valves replaced and carry on my wayward son. Upside: headgaskets will be replaced. . . which probably needed to happen anyway. Thanks, I called on a few of those. One was sold and the other one they wanted 2200 which was kind of high for a salvage engine. They couldn't tell me how many miles were on it either. But I'm keeping a lookout for those. I'm hoping the Subaru specialty shop can just fix what's broken because they build engines all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan in Texas Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 Well Subaru performance shop estimated about 6000 for the work. I'll pass. They were nice, but that's way out of budget for this car. I'll be calling engine shops Friday or Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmedic Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Thanks, I called on a few of those. One was sold and the other one they wanted 2200 which was kind of high for a salvage engine. They couldn't tell me how many miles were on it either. But I'm keeping a lookout for those. I'm hoping the Subaru specialty shop can just fix what's broken because they build engines all day long. search by price. I often find the best prices on stuff like that aren't always the closest yards. Needed an engine for a '13 Impreza (FB20), most yards were in the $2-3k range, found one in Ohio for $1300 + 200 freight with 1,300 miles on it. Shop around, make calls. Deals are out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan in Texas Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 search by price. I often find the best prices on stuff like that aren't always the closest yards. Needed an engine for a '13 Impreza (FB20), most yards were in the $2-3k range, found one in Ohio for $1300 + 200 freight with 1,300 miles on it. Shop around, make calls. Deals are out there. There is one in El Paso I'm calling on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxymomo Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I'm a bit confused, I thought you said gates would pay for any engine damage? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan in Texas Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 I'm a bit confused, I thought you said gates would pay for any engine damage? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk They will after I pay out of pocket and send the failed part with receipts. They won't pay up front. That's why I'm trying to budget...I'm paying until they pay back. I really just want it fixed, I'm not looking to take them for a ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted November 27, 2015 Moderators Share Posted November 27, 2015 You shouldn't look to buy an unknown time bomb either. Buy new parts, save the receipts, get reimbursed. Get a credit card that will do 0% for XX month if needed IMO, as long as you will get reimbursed for the charges and pay it off. "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
762x39 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 You shouldn't look to buy an unknown time bomb either. Buy new parts, save the receipts, get reimbursed. Get a credit card that will do 0% for XX month if needed IMO, as long as you will get reimbursed for the charges and pay it off. These are some serious words of wisdom. Its exactly what I would do if I were in your shoes because you always take a gamble on a used block, and if you lose that gamble then its completely out of your pocket. Heed this warning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan in Texas Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 These are some serious words of wisdom. Its exactly what I would do if I were in your shoes because you always take a gamble on a used block, and if you lose that gamble then its completely out of your pocket. Heed this warning! Heeded. I found a reputable engine shop in Houston that will install a reman long block for 3100 with a 3 year 100k warranty. That is the best I have found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmedic Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 The EJ253 motors are a lot less prone to go all 'splody. . . so generally it's a safe bet buying used on those as the worst thing that usually happens to them is the HG's leak oil, and you can see if that's the case as soon as it shows up. used turbo motor? Yeah, I'm gonna need to have a look up her skirt. . . grab the colonoscope and KY! But yeah if it were me I'd just pop the heads off and redo them. . . but apparently that is a $6k job in Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan in Texas Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 The EJ253 motors are a lot less prone to go all 'splody. . . so generally it's a safe bet buying used on those as the worst thing that usually happens to them is the HG's leak oil, and you can see if that's the case as soon as it shows up. used turbo motor? Yeah, I'm gonna need to have a look up her skirt. . . grab the colonoscope and KY! But yeah if it were me I'd just pop the heads off and redo them. . . but apparently that is a $6k job in Houston. No kidding. It's like nobody wants to do the labor on that, they will swap engines all day long, but actually taking one apart and working on the guts is not what anyone wants to do....unless it's a Powerstroke or Cummins. They will work on those all day long, but oilfield loves their diesels, so that's what we have around here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan in Texas Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 This is what the Subaru performance shop estimated. I think my best bet is to get the long block with the warranty swapped, send the invoices to Gates, get my money back, and try and enjoy this car. It seems that the labor involved in taking everything apart to machine, inspect, etc is the same or slightly more than the LB swap... http://s4.postimg.org/gdqp6me2l/subaru_estimate.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmedic Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Jeez. . . costs me about $350 to get a set of non-turbo heads reworked. Milled, valves ground, new seals. . .and that's with the machine shop disassembling/reassembling the valves (I do have to pull the rocker boxes and cams to get that price tho). I very seriously doubt you need a $2,100 short block even if it crashed valves in all 4 cyl's. Also. . 10qts of $11/qt "break in" oil? To quote Pocohontas. . .f*ck me running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan in Texas Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 Well the engine shop took everything apart. All the valves are shot and the Pistons took a hit. We are going to go back with the turbo Pistons and turbo head gasket. The price difference between the turbo piston and regular piston is only $50 for the set. Total cost is about 2500 so that's not too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmedic Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Turbo pistons will lower compression significantly. . . like from 9.5:1 to about 8:1. It'll run like a dog. . . unless you hang a turbo on it. unless they mean forged or hypereutectic pistons with a standard NA C/R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan in Texas Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 Turbo pistons will lower compression significantly. . . like from 9.5:1 to about 8:1. It'll run like a dog. . . unless you hang a turbo on it. unless they mean forged or hypereutectic pistons with a standard NA C/R Thanks, I'll double check. Turbo HG ok to use, turbo pistons no. They just called again and said the cylinder is damaged and I'm looking at a complete rebuild. Fudge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelbuilder_25 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 It's been a long time, but http://ccrengines.com/ used to have a good reputation. 3 year 50k warranty - longblock is just under 4,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan in Texas Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 It's been a long time, but http://ccrengines.com/ used to have a good reputation. 3 year 50k warranty - longblock is just under 4,000. I looked that that. Way out of budget for me. 3795 for the engine, plus another 1000 to install is almost 5k out of pocket while I wait for Gates. But the engine shop already has the labor to disassemble the engine that I've paid, so I really don't want to rack up costs. I am ok with a good machine shop rebuilding the existing engine as opposed to an reman LB with who knows what guts or who put it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan in Texas Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/02/4a1489aa5d12ca4506db1a2457ce5785.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/02/e108d6bb0b1c8c45f7e7b4634c8fe72d.jpg Here is the damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted December 2, 2015 Moderators Share Posted December 2, 2015 Impressive. "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan in Texas Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 With the additional damage found today, price is now 4k for the rebuild. I am so effing pissed. I am pissed at myself for buying the parts and trying to save a few hundred and now out another 4k for this thing. The guys at the engine shop think the installer didn't use thread locker on the tensioner bolt like they are supposed to, but I can't prove or disprove it at this point. I am supposed to pick up the bolt at the shop, so I can see if there is any red on the threads. But I sourced the parts, so that's on me. Arrrrrgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexi Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I'm not sure if you saw the gates link I posted over at bitog, but it sounds like gates includes blue threadlocker with the kit and says to use it. I'm not sure of this though, since I've never purchased or used the gates timing kit. *Just to be clear, I'm just writing that as another way of saying don't be too hard on yourself. It's not your fault threadlocker wasn't used, if it was supposed to be used. Like I said at bitog, the FSM doesn't mention threadlocker, but the Gates technical bulletin does say to use it.. Soo I don't know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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