DeltaNu1142 Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Just my .02 I'm vf52'd on stock injectors with a walboro pump. Do I wish I did injectors? Yes. Not too late. I'm running a stock pump & stock injectors. I can always do it later. Why? I'm not looking to max out for most power possible. This is my daily/winter car. My daily too. Tits mcgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepuma Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Mostly because I've had injector failure one after another, they are over 90% duty cycle and depending on the age of the injectors they may start failing on ya. Mine is my daily/winter as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farberio Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Ouch, its time to up your fuel game when the injectors are over 80% duty cycle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChefRacer Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 You might want to have a new turbo inlet at least on standby. The rubber where the inlet meets the turbo is known to crack/rip when removing the stock turbo out. Despite what manufacturers may want you to believe, you really won't get much of any power out of upgrading, but its nice to know that it's still in good shape after the swap. A ripped inlet will cause a lean condition b/c un-metered air can get into the turbo after the maf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddiction Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 How many miles on them when they started going bad? WWW.MODDICTION.COM Moddiction Stainless steel and Titanium shift knobs. Drivetrain, suspension, brakes, exhaust, cooling, fuel, gauges+MUCH more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChefRacer Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 It's not necessarily a matter of amount of miles, its a matter of a very soft piece of rubber that gets very hot over and over again. It will get brittle and can tear from the action of extracting the turbo from it, or even from loosening/moving the clamp which can get a bit melted into it over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddiction Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 Ok cool. I was asking about the injectors mileage when went bad. I'll look into the inlets or inspect mine to see condition. WWW.MODDICTION.COM Moddiction Stainless steel and Titanium shift knobs. Drivetrain, suspension, brakes, exhaust, cooling, fuel, gauges+MUCH more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob-2 Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Been following this thread here and I think the pump/injectors is considered a 'safe' component of a PROPER stage 3 setup. Just like an uppipe is not required in stage 2 - but unless you're silly cheap you do it too. No one has mentioned getting max power out of your car but suggested this is your best option. I'd highly suggest you take their advice and do this once and right. I feel like this is your EVO X debate all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddiction Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 I guess I'll speak with tuner and see what they recommend. Nothing to do with cheaping out. I have the money that's not a problem. Just don't want to if I don't need the extra fuel. In general I trust oem pump and injectors over after market for reliability but maybe that's not the case with Subaru parts idk. If bren tuning recommends them ill pick some up. And evo X is out the door lol. Now I'm in hunt of an LS3 corvette coupe! WWW.MODDICTION.COM Moddiction Stainless steel and Titanium shift knobs. Drivetrain, suspension, brakes, exhaust, cooling, fuel, gauges+MUCH more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farberio Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Ok cool. I was asking about the injectors mileage when went bad. I'll look into the inlets or inspect mine to see condition. Life is not something so pinned down and its usually directly related to load. Over 80% and you may as well buy some spares to keep around. Most OEM cars that I have seen run their injectors in the 40% range. This is why there is usually 'room' in the stock system even though you start to tax the injectors more. Its also why we are telling you to up the injectors to keep them in a much safer lower load range instead of running them in a higher duty cycle range where they are more prone to break or start running a lean condition that will take out the motor with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddiction Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 Ok cool. I'll probably go with some injector dynamic ones. Seem to be the best out there. Drives better than stock on my ID 1000's in my S2000. WWW.MODDICTION.COM Moddiction Stainless steel and Titanium shift knobs. Drivetrain, suspension, brakes, exhaust, cooling, fuel, gauges+MUCH more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farberio Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Just get some EV-14s and save the dough. http://fuelinjectorconnection.com/shop/viewcategory.php?groupid=31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddiction Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 If I get injectors I want to get quality ones. The ID injectors are much better than your average injector. Not familiar with those but for that price I'd imagine they don't compare. WWW.MODDICTION.COM Moddiction Stainless steel and Titanium shift knobs. Drivetrain, suspension, brakes, exhaust, cooling, fuel, gauges+MUCH more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farberio Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 ID injectors are just rebadged EV-14s that are sorted to match flows. That's about it. I have had both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddiction Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 Ah ok good to know. I'll check these out as well. I saw the first one priced at $150 and thought it for a set of cheap crappy ones lol. WWW.MODDICTION.COM Moddiction Stainless steel and Titanium shift knobs. Drivetrain, suspension, brakes, exhaust, cooling, fuel, gauges+MUCH more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xplosivo1 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 FYI if you buy a turbo from BNR it comes with the up-pipe and down pipe gaskets. At least mine did and new copper gaskets and mounting studs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddiction Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 Oh nice! Thanks! I'll double check with him. Think he's been on vacation so haven't heard back in a while now. If so I won't have to worry about gaskets then! WWW.MODDICTION.COM Moddiction Stainless steel and Titanium shift knobs. Drivetrain, suspension, brakes, exhaust, cooling, fuel, gauges+MUCH more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChefRacer Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 fyi as far as fueling goes, I was at 95% idc on my stock turbo before I threw in a walbro. I just put in ID1000s b/c I'm running a vf39 that had maxed out the fuel system and I'm putting in a 20g soon. As long as your car is tuned properly for the fuel upgrades and you know exactly what you should install then your car can run very smoothly and reliably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddiction Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 Do you know what you were at with just the walbro and stock injectors by chance? WWW.MODDICTION.COM Moddiction Stainless steel and Titanium shift knobs. Drivetrain, suspension, brakes, exhaust, cooling, fuel, gauges+MUCH more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChefRacer Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 On the stock vf40 at 22 psi, I was at around 80-85% idc, with the vf39 which has the same cfm as a small 16g or a vf52 I was at 96% idc at 18.5 psi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddiction Posted August 10, 2013 Author Share Posted August 10, 2013 Spoke with tuner and they recommended to use the stock injectors for the bnr16g turbo. Just an upgraded fuel pump. So ill be doing that. Think I'm going to get the avo throttle body hose to out on when putting the avo tmic on. And I'm getting the turbosmart kompact bypass valve. WWW.MODDICTION.COM Moddiction Stainless steel and Titanium shift knobs. Drivetrain, suspension, brakes, exhaust, cooling, fuel, gauges+MUCH more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino6303 Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Spoke with tuner and they recommended to use the stock injectors for the bnr16g turbo. Just an upgraded fuel pump. So ill be doing that. Think I'm going to get the avo throttle body hose to out on when putting the avo tmic on. And I'm getting the turbosmart kompact bypass valve. I have a venair throttle body hose I would sell you if you would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddiction Posted August 10, 2013 Author Share Posted August 10, 2013 Is that better than avo or something? I get really good pricing on avo through my distributor so I think I would most likely go that way. WWW.MODDICTION.COM Moddiction Stainless steel and Titanium shift knobs. Drivetrain, suspension, brakes, exhaust, cooling, fuel, gauges+MUCH more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 The OEM TB hose is fine, just remove the rubber boots on both ends, get the T bolt clamps and you should be fine. I got my T bolt clamps from the local speed shop, like $14 for the two. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddiction Posted August 10, 2013 Author Share Posted August 10, 2013 Ok sounds good! Not easier to mount the avo tmic with the avo hose? I had read that in here I believe. What size are the t bolt clamps? 3.5"? WWW.MODDICTION.COM Moddiction Stainless steel and Titanium shift knobs. Drivetrain, suspension, brakes, exhaust, cooling, fuel, gauges+MUCH more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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