pleaidestar Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 I don't even know much of anything about the 18E motors. Was never interested in them, so I never bothered. I think that's how most people are. I'd definitely be interested to learn how these builds turn out though. I've never seen a 2.2 with a 1.8 top end. I am too especially because they have them (ej18e) in obd1 and 2, so if it turns out well it can be tweaked further, I have researched a little bit but in no hurry with my wagon. I know the motor by itself is uninteresting but some of the parts are. I used to like doing compression builds in hondas, I wonder how these motors feel with higher ratios and rev limits. I know I'm in for a lot of info searching because of the motors unpopularity and removal for bigger motors ..but that makes for cheap and accessible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sludgeroo Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 22e bottom end with 18 heads cammed, decked, port matched and somehow run itbs! Then mash it up to a nasty fuel map and other external bolt ons..... ... I can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleaidestar Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 I have an extra 22e that needs headwork, I was wondering about the 222 heads, are the ports on them as the same design as 22e? Talk about dreaming, I'm dreaming about making a sheetmetal intake manifold but a reversed throttlebody like the fb motors on the brz. Itb's would be crazy would sound like a 4 cylinder funny car lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zues Marine Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 idk what this thread has turned into but i have a set of the 22e heads in the garage i wanna throw on my current 25d block /contribution. heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleaidestar Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 Yeah it seems to have become testing grounds or a think tank.lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sludgeroo Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Steering, motors, same difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennyfvholla Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Could be worse... It could be superwide// lol Personally, as far as motor plans, I am not going to build an NA motor any more. I was going to rebuild my 99 25D/251 into a high compression 2.5 good for about 220 or maybe more. But, my car needs a trans so I've decided to save up for a turbo swap the year after this summer. Once I get everything I need, I hope to pass Sludge's generosity on to someone else. A side note.. I just have a massive amount of random parts laying around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleaidestar Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 Steering, motors, same difference Very indiscriminate thread indeed. Anyone here ever mess with the idea of depowering a steering rack for manual use? I saw a thread from a miata forum that gives a great diy thread for it but have lost track of its link. I remember some time ago when I put my lw pulley on I got rotational mass drunk, and wanted to do that mod to get rid of the ps pump and keep the bay a little cleaner. Still a dream knowing ill probably get tired of strong-arming my car around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sludgeroo Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I wonder how the awd would feel.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleaidestar Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 I would think wouldnt feel a difference, although manual steering racks do chatter a bit. Some of the steps in that long lost thread were to disassemble it completely and take a few parts out of the rack itself and re-seal it with fluid in it iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sludgeroo Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 But don't they use gear oil or something to replace the atf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennyfvholla Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I think the second gen GT and first gen SS racks already have the best feel you can possibly ask for. Nice heavy weight and great feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zues Marine Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 steering rack bushings!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleaidestar Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 The first gen steering rack is different than second gen? The outer tie rods look a bit different too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennyfvholla Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Yes! bushings too And well, I have no idea if they're compatible. But, I've driven a friends 93 SS (I was supposed to buy it last year) several times and the steering is impeccable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleaidestar Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 I can feel the difference between my 90 wagon and my 95 sedan, the steering on the sedan is kinda of rubbery. I looked under my wagon this morning with the rack at full lock, and it seems the pinion and inner tie rods are different. I could see where the ring gear tracks the inner tie rods, on the second gen they are smooth. I don't know much about the manufacturing but it looks like the 1st gen rack definitely more stable. I wish I had a 2nd gen parts car to test fitments on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyposeur Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 The SS steering rack is awesome. I have an extra one that I am going to swap in the L. I love the way it feels. Tight and responsive and a direct fit for second gens. Since we're discussing first gen steering racks, is there a difference between the SS and the Legacy steering racks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleaidestar Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 The SS steering rack is awesome. I have an extra one that I am going to swap in the L. I love the way it feels. Tight and responsive and a direct fit for second gens. Since we're discussing first gen steering racks, is there a difference between the SS and the Legacy steering racks? That's what I'm trying to figure out too, if I have to change the whole power steering system, lines, pump and rack...or even of the thing will bolt to 2nd gen sub-frame or outer tie rods, I can get another first gen steering rack anyday. I would love to know, can't have both my cars down to test a theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyposeur Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I'd imagine the SS rack is better but idk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleaidestar Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 But don't they use gear oil or something to replace the atf? I'm not sure, what they keep in there but the two fittings are together in the end result, doesn't sound terrible to try even though the miata weighs 1200 or so lbs less than the bd legacy:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleaidestar Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 I would think so too, weren't you asking if they were compatible so you could put one in your L? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyposeur Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 No, I know they are a direct swap and compatible. My question is if the SS steering rack and the first gen Legacy steering rack are the same. I don't think they are since the SS is a turbo Legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleaidestar Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 ^^That's a good question, the sub-frame differences carry over to routing differences in the lines?How do the lines cross over the passenger head on your ss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zues Marine Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 they are different, which is why first gen suspension stuff... mainly sways dont bolt up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennyfvholla Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 To start to answer everyone's questions.... On Second Gen Legacy's all NON-Outback models have the same steering rack. And ALL Outback's have the same, separate rack. The Legacy's rack is 3.2 turns lock to lock with a ratio of 16.5:1 The Outback's rack has a lighter weight and is 3.4 turns lock to lock with a ratio of 19:1 Once I find my FSM for the first gen, I'll look and see if there are any similarities or differences between the 2nd Gen Legacy rack and it. I still don't know about fitment, but I'll be able to find out performances differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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