AZP Installs Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Sorry should be: Initial Bite; STS < HPS << HP+ (would you list as >>? ) High heat stability; STS > HP+ > HPS Dusting; HP+ >> HPS =~ STS Price; HP+ >> HPS > STS -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Newly acquired (old) LGT, driven it about 700KM now and what i've realized is that the brakes are really tough/worthless. What I mean is the amount of force I have to give the brake to get it to stop should not be that much. For example, in my prev car, honda civic, If I applied the same force I'd be shooting through the windscreen! I can get the LGT to stop If i need it to, but i'd have to muscle up my legs. I'm using stock brake parts. Is this dead feeling a result of poor pads or the ballooning effect of the brake lines? You can't compare a Civic to a LGT. There's a huge difference in weight. In addition to doing a fluid flush, buying new pads and rotors as others have suggested, look at your tires. Your brakes can only work to the limit of grip your tires can provide. So if you have crappy all seasons, think about getting a nice performance summer tire. Even some of the better all seasons will work. My autox setup (245 dunlop star specs, hawk hp+, centric blank rotors, stock lines, no mcb, fresh fluid flush every year) will give you that firm pedal and "put you through the windshield" feeling you desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devobuzz Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Thinking how some have a difference of opinion if the same pads are considered dusty or not: Is it possible the dusting comparison difference within the same brand/model is due to wheel design? How the air flows around the around/thru the wheel and also if the wheels are waxed (or coated)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Thinking how some have a difference of opinion if the same pads are considered dusty or not: Is it possible the dusting comparison difference within the same brand/model is due to wheel design? How the air flows around the around/thru the wheel and also if the wheels are waxed (or coated)? Good point. -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero1 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Refer to my avatar. I wipe the wheels down and then put some Meguiars Quick Detail on them every time I wash the lady. Ruin a couple micro fiber cloths every time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Yeah, my cars are rarely clean. I put on 100+ lies a day so I build up grime and dirt easily. -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMLegacy Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 Thanks for the responses. I may be wrong to compare the lighter car with the heavier car but my driving style, coming from the civic, made me a bit cautious with the force i had to apply to get the car stopping. I live in Jamaica, warm area all around. So I guess I could get some Stoptech or HPS then? I'm not sure if I should get stainless steel lines, I saw someone wrote on another forum that they didn't make u stop any better? True or false. IF I do get them would getting the front lines only be enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Thanks for the responses. I may be wrong to compare the lighter car with the heavier car but my driving style, coming from the civic, made me a bit cautious with the force i had to apply to get the car stopping. I live in Jamaica, warm area all around. So I guess I could get some Stoptech or HPS then? I'm not sure if I should get stainless steel lines, I saw someone wrote on another forum that they didn't make u stop any better? True or false. IF I do get them would getting the front lines only be enough? Stainless Steel lines will not give you any extra "bite" in terms of braking, nor any better stopping distance. They prevent expansion of the rubber flexible lines by encasing them in stainless steel. We have found them to only be of marginal added value to a street driven car. As for pedal feel, don't get misled by associating pedal feel with braking ability. A Chevy citation has a very stiff pedal, but does not have good braking ability. For a street driven car, I would suggest the stoptech streets or the hawk HPS pads. They will give you good bite and longevity. -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Thanks for the responses. I may be wrong to compare the lighter car with the heavier car but my driving style, coming from the civic, made me a bit cautious with the force i had to apply to get the car stopping. I live in Jamaica, warm area all around. So I guess I could get some Stoptech or HPS then? I'm not sure if I should get stainless steel lines, I saw someone wrote on another forum that they didn't make u stop any better? True or false. IF I do get them would getting the front lines only be enough? Correct. It also doesn't matter what pad you have, but if you brake hard and your ABS is activating, it means you have reached the limit of grip your tires can provide under braking (braking threshold). So, if your ABS regularly activates under hard braking, you can benefit from stickier tires. Performance tires WILL decrease your stopping distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Correct. It also doesn't matter what pad you have, but if you brake hard and your ABS is activating, it means you have reached the limit of grip your tires can provide under braking (braking threshold). So, if your ABS regularly activates under hard braking, you can benefit from stickier tires. Performance tires WILL decrease your stopping distance. Agreed, if you are getting into your ABS, then tires are the issue. That is the problem I have on my 335 now the oem all seasons with 27k miles force me into abs all the time. -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMLegacy Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 Verdict: Stoptech pads. I will go with stoptech as I have hilly roads (long) that my warm my brakes easily. I think the Stoptechs ,based on what was written here, will make that the best option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Verdict: Stoptech pads. I will go with stoptech as I have hilly roads (long) that my warm my brakes easily. I think the Stoptechs ,based on what was written here, will make that the best option Yup looks like your best option. -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMLegacy Posted January 1, 2013 Author Share Posted January 1, 2013 Got the stoptechs, skimmed my rotors, and guess what? Amazing difference. I learned something that somehow missed me - all this time ther car had steel braided lines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Got the stoptechs, skimmed my rotors, and guess what? Amazing difference. I learned something that somehow missed me - all this time I HAD steel braded lines! Glad to hear that! -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMLegacy Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 OK, After some days of using these brakes I must say there is something I observed that I do not like. THe Brakes fade, and fade quickly. Going from 70 towards 0, by the time it hits 40 I have literally no feeling in my brake and the car isn't slowing as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doobaruGT Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Thought someone might suggest the Grimspeed Master Cylinder Brace. Maybe I missed something on the last 3 pages? Updated parts list since original part-out here. Original Full part-out of my LGT HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMLegacy Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 IDK, the pressure is there but the brakes just start fading after about 2.5 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doobaruGT Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 did you do the fluid flush? Updated parts list since original part-out here. Original Full part-out of my LGT HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMLegacy Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 No, I only bled the brakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doobaruGT Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Can't really speak to the fade, but I know the MCB will help with the "mushy" feel. What kind of rotors do you have currently? Updated parts list since original part-out here. Original Full part-out of my LGT HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMLegacy Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 Stock JDM rotors. Car has 35K miles on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doobaruGT Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Stock JDM rotors. Car has 35K miles on it I think you have all the suggestions anyone could offer short of a caliper upgrade. Make sure you have the right pads and maybe a MCB, and no air in the lines. This will make a world of a difference, provided you don't have the ABS coming on frequently from poor tire grip. Updated parts list since original part-out here. Original Full part-out of my LGT HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMLegacy Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 Ok. I guess I can learn how to drive and downshift more to compensate while not over-revving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doobaruGT Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Yea, GL brother. Post up if you find an improvement! Updated parts list since original part-out here. Original Full part-out of my LGT HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 OK, After some days of using these brakes I must say there is something I observed that I do not like. THe Brakes fade, and fade quickly. Going from 70 towards 0, by the time it hits 40 I have literally no feeling in my brake and the car isn't slowing as much. When did you last flush your brakes? What fluid did you use? We've actually tracked these pads and not had that much fade, at least not until we had done >20 laps of hard driving, so some of the suggestions of all kinds of other things like bigger calipers etc are a waste IMO. -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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