Max Capacity Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 The other week I noticed both lower slide pins were a bit hard to compress. I pulled them out to stick some greese in there and I noticed these two sleeves came out with the pin. I stuck a little greese on the pins and pushed them back in. The lower/outboard sleeve was soft and kind of difficult to get back in the hole. I used a small screw driver to push the sleeve in. I'm putting new front rotor's on this week. I wonder if I should replace the pins and sleeves? The upper pins slide nice and easy. I'll have to stop by the dealer on the way home. I couldn't find the sleeves when doing a web search for rebuild kits for these cars. Any body have any thought's on these things ? 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 When you repacked the pin did it get easier to push in? After a while they do get quite dirty. I don't know if the rebuild kits for the caliper include the bracket pieces. They are normally just for the caliper. According to my resources pn # 26297AG000 is the seal kit which should include the internal sleeve and boot for the pin as well as the seals for the caliper. Hope this helps. -Jake http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg Call directly for your best Whiteline Price! | We also carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: paisan@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share Posted October 24, 2011 Thanks Jake, I did see one kit had the pins, piston boot's, piston o-ring, and dust boot's. I'll most likely stop by the dealer and tonight. The other week I stopped in to get new bolts for the calipers and all they showed me was some corse thread bolt's that looked much bigger. I have been meaning to check back with them and tell them my old bolts were much shorter and fine thread. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Yeah whenever I used to get dealer parts I would bring the part with me to match it up. Some dealers are better than others when it comes to knowing their product. -Jake http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg Call directly for your best Whiteline Price! | We also carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: paisan@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJuan Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I was having a lot of vibration under braking, and had the same problem with my sliding pins, each sleeve on both sides were causing the pins to freeze inside the housing. Order new pins and sleeves, but the new pins diameter were smaller than the stock ones. So, I kept the sleeves off the OEM pins, greased them up really good, and reinstalled them. It's been several months now and haven't had any problem with them. What is the major funtion of those sleeves? Reduce vibration? My wife's balls are delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share Posted October 24, 2011 The dealer is ordering a rebuild kit and two pins. The rebuild kit has the sleeves and boots and the piston boot and seal that I don't need. Oh the book showed only one sleeve on each pin, I wonder if mine split over time. FYI, The lower pins are different then the top pins. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJuan Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Correct, each caliper has 1 straight metal pin and 1 "sleeve" pin. My wife's balls are delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share Posted October 24, 2011 This is the first time I've gotten this intimate with these brakes. I always like to learn new things. Do you have any idea why I found two sleeves on each pin ? The inner sleeves were very soft. Also there is a difference in the caliper mounting bolts my early 05 has smaller bolts then the later cars. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJuan Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 2 sleeves on each pin? That's new to me, unless someone else had replace those before. I know on a '05, there should be 1 straight & 1 sleeve pin per caliper, this goes for the same on the rears. My wife's balls are delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share Posted October 24, 2011 I'm the only one to ever touch these brakes, owned the car since new. I have found them on page 4153 in the 05 service manual. Thinking about it, I think there was a recessed portion on the pins, may be that's where the one piece sleeve is supposed to go, may be it is time to replace these pins. I'll try and post pictures after I replace them over the weekend. My DBA Slotted rotor's just showed up. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Some of the differences might just be updated parts. I've noticed that instead of stock what came with the car, they just update everything to current spec. So possibly the early 05 had a test design they didn't like. Just a possibility. -Jake http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg Call directly for your best Whiteline Price! | We also carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: paisan@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 Hi Jake, thanks for the rotor's they are sitting under the end table in the living room until I find time to put them on. GF's kool with that for a while. Man those suckers are heavy, 20lbs each. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJuan Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 You'll like the DBAs, I had a pair of slotted ones before and worked great. What pads are you running with them? My wife's balls are delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Hi Jake, thanks for the rotor's they are sitting under the end table in the living room until I find time to put them on. GF's kool with that for a while. Man those suckers are heavy, 20lbs each. Anytime. Man I used to have to lug batches of rotors around when I worked at a parts store. Gained lots of muscle but damn I was always sore lol. -Jake http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg Call directly for your best Whiteline Price! | We also carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: paisan@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 You'll like the DBAs, I had a pair of slotted ones before and worked great. What pads are you running with them? Hawk ceramic's Just put the rotors on after work today. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJuan Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Keep me posted on how well those ceramic pads workout for you, I've only used the Hawks HPS. My wife's balls are delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 I have them on my SpecB. I put more miles on the wagon so I'm hoping they don't dust to badly. That's the only reason I went with them. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flubyux2 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Hey, when you repacked your pins, did you have an air pocket inside that would compress and push the pin back out? I rebuilt all my calipers and all the pins did this. I was worried they would continuously apply pressure to one pad but maybe it's normal? Btw, my caliper rebuild kits only came with the seals and the dust boots. Nothing for the pins though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJuan Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Yup, the pins will do that if you put to much grease in there. Move it around until some of that grease comes out. It's like sex, grease the pin not the hole. My wife's balls are delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 I still like the ceramics. They feel a lot like the Hps pads on the Spec. Both cars like to have the pads heated up a bit, the pedal feel is much better then. In normal driving they feel normal. But once you put some heat in them the pedal firms up and the brakes react quicker. Still haven't got around to putting the rebuild kit in the 05 yet, with skiing coming up I may wait until Spring time. If we would have not lost power for 8 day's I may have installed the kit last weekend 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 I recently got a rebuild kit ($30) at the dealer for the front calipers on my Legacy GT, and the kit included 2 unlabeled packets of grease. One packet contains pink colored grease, and the other packet has reddish orange grease. The tiny instruction sheet says use the red grease on the piston seal, and use the orange grease on the guide pins. But there is no red grease in the kit, unless red=pink. I assume the reddish orange grease in the kit is the Niglube RX-2 lube that Subaru specs for the guide pins. Am I right? Nippon Grease Co. says the color of Niglube RX-2 is "tango". First time in my life I have heard of the color "tango" ! (Pantone says tango is a reddish orange.) (the rebuild kit for the rear calipers only contains one color of grease, reddish orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhitter Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I bought Legacy GT calipers about 8 months ago and they have just been sitting under my bed. I assume I can test them with an air compressor and make sure they slide smoothly? Or after that much time is it recommended to rebuild them anyway? Max did you ever figure out the part number for the caliper bolts? Edit: really stupid question, does the rebuild kit include everything you need for both sides? Or do you need a kit per side? My OBXT build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The rebuild kit includes parts for two calipers. Did you buy new calipers? If so, no rebuilding is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhitter Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The rebuild kit includes parts for two calipers. Did you buy new calipers? If so, no rebuilding is necessary. They are used. got a Caliper / Bracket off of a Legacy GT. My OBXT build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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