ClimberDHexMods Posted December 3, 2011 Author Share Posted December 3, 2011 Man with your level of power, stick with AWD. Things holding up well? [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frkkevin Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Man with your level of power, stick with AWD. Things holding up well? AWD is just limiting my power at this point.. RWD and tubbed out with some fat tires would certainly be fun. So far so good but we have not upped the ante yet. Breaking the motor in before the re-tune which should be happening soon. Then we will see what happens when I'm pushing 35+psi (assuming my oem ecu will allow it first) 512whp/465ftlb 2005 5EAT Legacy (Build Log) Videos - - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 AWD is just limiting my power at this point.. RWD and tubbed out with some fat tires would certainly be fun. So far so good but we have not upped the ante yet. Breaking the motor in before the re-tune which should be happening soon. Then we will see what happens when I'm pushing 35+psi (assuming my oem ecu will allow it first) No reason the ECU won't allow it... AFAIK at least. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoukiS14 Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 So, one of the stumbling blocks of clutch pack rebuilds appears to be the availability of the piston seals by themselves. I have yet to find them availably separately for the input, direct and high/low clutch pack pistons. If we can find them, it would keep the cost down. Anybody want to help look? It would seem they're only available as part of a rebuilt kit which contains all of the gaskets, seals, sealing rings, etc. That adds significantly to the potential price. If the remaining rebuild kit pieces ship with the rebuilt clutch packs, but adds $200, would it be worth it? Ballpark pricing looks like $1,100 for stage 2 clutch packs with 7 input pairs, 7 direct pairs and 5 high/low pairs. Stage 2.5 with 8/8/5 for ~$1,300. Stage 3 would be 8/8/6 for ~$1,600. That doesn't include an estimated $600 refundable core deposit. Does that price it out of consideration? I estimate stage 2 to be good for 325whp and stage 3 for 400whp without VB mods. Significantly more, like an additional 100-150whp, with VB mods. Just looking for input and a little help finding those seals at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doccrowley Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 It would seem to me that building for torque rather than whp goals is more important. I recently put down 378wtq on the dyno w only the vb. And I'm interested in a replacement clutch kit to withstand a built motor and 26psi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoukiS14 Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Well, those estimates are ricer math anyhow, based on the stock trans holding around 300 whp for around 50,000 miles before they let loose. At the power levels I'm throwing out there, I'm hoping they'd be good for 100,000+ miles. I think that's easily attainable, especially with VB mods. A stage 3 trans with VB mods would satisfy your needs. Hell, I think frank_ster was putting down 500+ whp and wtq on a stock 5EAT with ClimberD's VB mods. The VB mods are stage 1 in my mind, but a necessary pre-req for longevity of any 5EAT. The costs are what I'm concerned with here. The builds are possible, and holding power won't be a problem, but I'm worrying about them being cost prohibitive, especially in light of the high core costs. Just for reference, the OEM clutch packs range from $900-$1100 street price for three, and a lot more from the dealer. Also, until the '08+ VB mods are ready, this may be the only option for those folks wanting to aim for higher power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan04103 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Sounds great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenfamily Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 The tranny and I are still holding out for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoukiS14 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I'm finalizing details and will be working with ClimberD on getting things ready for sale. I've had to work through some parts supply issues, but have good alternate options, and the end results won't be compromised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planelazy Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Great! Another thing I want that I can't afford at the moment LOL. I'm still trying to get the funds for the VB. At least I got the bearings, but those aren't installed yet =( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr20t Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Ballpark pricing looks like $1,100 for stage 2 clutch packs with 7 input pairs, 7 direct pairs and 5 high/low pairs. Stage 2.5 with 8/8/5 for ~$1,300. Stage 3 would be 8/8/6 for ~$1,600. That doesn't include an estimated $600 refundable core deposit. Does that price it out of consideration? I estimate stage 2 to be good for 325whp and stage 3 for 400whp without VB mods. Significantly more, like an additional 100-150whp, with VB mods. Just looking for input and a little help finding those seals at this point. Is this for the clutch packs in isolation only? Assembled including machining etc? Would you be willing to ship to Australia? At those prices I'd be willing to pay for a stage 3 kit (and even more if it is possible - ie, more clutch packs and steel plates I this is available, irrespective of cost). Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoukiS14 Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Short answer is yes. You'll get precision toleranced, machined, and assembled input, direct and hi/lo/rev clutch packs as well as new front brake components and an overhaul kit which includes seals, sealing rings, gaskets, o-rings, etc. If you're mechanically inclined and competent, you can install everything yourself. Or any shop that rebuilds automatics and is willing to use your supplied parts can do it for you. If you're willing to pay for shipping to Australia with adequate insurance, I'd be willing to ship there. Core return time could be a factor, but we can discuss that offline. Note that there's been price creep and redesign since those initial estimates. Stage 2 will be 8/8/5/2 (input pairs, direct, hi/lo/rev, front brake) for $1,500. Stage 3 will be 8/8/6/3 for $1,900. Core costs are likely to be $900, since that's what it takes for me to buy new core units if you don't return yours for me to rebuild for the next guy. Price increases are mostly due to unobtainium clutch pistons that seemed to be available from a few vendors, but were actually just piston retainers, even though they were clearly illustrated otherwise. Since those aren't available, it necessitated a redesign of the process and parts used, and machining labor has to be added back in. That and adding more parts, such as all the components for a front brake rebuild and a general transmission overhaul. Adding steels and frictions for a rebuild of all of the other clutches will be an added cost option of $250. The 8/8/6/3 build will be the ultimate build for the 5EAT. No more clutches will fit in the space given, even with opening that space up to the maximum possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr20t Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Sincerely appreciate the swift response and detailed info I'm definitely keen irrespective of cost. For the sake of the greater forum ill ask this one last question before taking it to pm: Is the rebuild kit compatible with later model 5eat (08+)? Cheers Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doccrowley Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Is the rebuild kit tested? To what power levels and set-up has it been tested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoukiS14 Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Tested on my car @ 321 whp and enduring my incredibly hard, beat it up style of driving on a daily basis. Lots of 2500 RPM launches and a half dozen or so 3500 RPM launches. Bushings of course. No problems whatsoever, but only about 3,000 miles so far. ClimberD will be doing full trans builds with these clutch packs in the future. The community will have to vet it in the end, but I'm quite confident of the clutch pack builds ability to hold power. VB mods highly recommended, of course. VB should be considered a stage 1 pre-requisite for a built trans. Doc, the 8/8/6/3 will hold up to whatever you can put in front of it, I believe. David and I have talked about what you're looking for, and I think you may be a good R&D tester if you're interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoukiS14 Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Is the rebuild kit compatible with later model 5eat (08+)? Yes, it is. The late clutch pack part numbers are alternate part numbers for the earlier units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr20t Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Tested on my car @ 321 whp and a enduring my incredibly hard, beat it up style of driving on a daily basis. Lots of 2500 RPM launches and a half dozen or so 3500 RPM launches. Bushings of course. No problems whatsoever, but only about 3,000 miles so far. ClimberD will be doing full trans builds with these clutch packs in the future. The community will have to vet it in the end, but I'm quite confident of the clutch pack builds ability to hold power. VB mods highly recommended, of course. VB should be considered a stage 1 pre-requisite for a built trans. Doc, the 8/8/6/3 will hold up to whatever you can put in front of it, I believe. David and I have talked about what you're looking for, and I think you may be a good R&D tester if you're interested. Absolutely interested Problem is climber isnt making the 08 + vb yet Pm me for what I can do... Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoukiS14 Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Problem is climber isnt selling the 08 + vb yet Fixed. I have good reason to suspect it's not far from market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstaslp Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Quick question. I am wanting to build a transmission and just drop it in. Would a 2005 LGT Auto work in my 2006 OBXT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted April 30, 2013 Author Share Posted April 30, 2013 Quick question. I am wanting to build a transmission and just drop it in. Would a 2005 LGT Auto work in my 2006 OBXT? Absolutely not. You could do a far more elaborate swapping of parts of the transmission and rear diff to get to something that would work, very frankenstein. It would be messy. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapSlo Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Fixed. I have good reason to suspect it's not far from market. I really hope you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMahFromTheU Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Any updates on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoukiS14 Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 dr20t's stage 3 kit will ship tomorrow. I'll have a second one of those available shortly. Any takers? PM for details if you're interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doccrowley Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 I am interested, but, I am very hesitant. I'd like to see and know more about details, how your mods have been tested and to what power levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planelazy Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 I'll be in next year.. once I get my bonus from work =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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