blue dragon Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 I've searched and read through a whole bunch of threads where people don't know what they are talking about. It doesn't have to be on the LGT specifically, it could be on the WRX STi, hopefully someone can explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Because Audis break down too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAndy Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 It's Subaru, what else is there to know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderkind Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 But the G35X's is far superior due to the centre analog clock system that is not available to both Subarus and Audis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmanus88 Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 OFF WITH HIS HEAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoss Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 I have a long word doc that explains all the differences. I am getting rid of my Audi and I now have the LGT limited. I think the Audi system is superior. It ueses gears (torsen system) rather than the viscous system in the Subie and a lot of other cars. The torsen system is heavier, but acts more constantly. I also agree that the Audis break down far too much and that is why I am a subie driver now. The Audi will go anywhere without ANY wheel spin. I have never seen any wheel spin in any amount of deep snow or on solid ice in the Audi. I can't hope for that on the Subie from what I have read. The Subie should do fine though. I won't miss going to the snobby Audi service either (two weeks for an appointment)........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple Digits Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 If you are looking for no-spin traction Torsen Quattro wins hands down - but if your litmus is pure enjoyment then it's all about the Scooby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Audi's use a torsen center and EDL (read - open diffs) front and rear.. The quality of a proper viscously limited diff vs torsen is very debatable. The SCCA Audi S4 uses a center viscous limited diff http://www.speedvisionwc.com/competitors/vts/02-audi-s4.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver72 Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 OFF WITH HIS HEAD Yes, I agree. Wunderkind, get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eamiller Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 I have a long word doc that explains all the differences. I am getting rid of my Audi and I now have the LGT limited. I think the Audi system is superior. It ueses gears (torsen system) rather than the viscous system in the Subie and a lot of other cars. The torsen system is heavier, but acts more constantly. I also agree that the Audis break down far too much and that is why I am a subie driver now. The Audi will go anywhere without ANY wheel spin. I have never seen any wheel spin in any amount of deep snow or on solid ice in the Audi. I can't hope for that on the Subie from what I have read. The Subie should do fine though. I won't miss going to the snobby Audi service either (two weeks for an appointment)........ The reason the Audi will "go anywhere without wheelspin" is thanks to the brake based traction control system. However, the minute your brakes overheat, you're screwed since you've got open front and rear diffs (without traction control to help). Also, if your electronics decide to go belly-up (which isn't hard to imagine on an Audi) then you're hosed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 The Audi will go anywhere without ANY wheel spin. I have never seen any wheel spin in any amount of deep snow or on solid ice in the Audi. That is caused by a huge lack of power EDL just plain sucks. Why worry, the SRT-4 is teh FASTAR Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skubdu Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 me luv all wheelspin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple Digits Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 I'm not sure about the previous reference to Audi traction control and whether it is intended to signify ESP exclusive of the Torsen Quattro or not - but taken as a synergistic system there is more going on than just braking - right down to engine management intervention... Regardless, it took a lot of the fun out of the car, and I even believe I came to rely on it too much - knowing it would be there to bail me out. I drive more responsibly (which is admittedly a relative assessment ) without it. ALthough I'll admit I might want it there by the time we get around to getting one for my wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoss Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Guys just for the record my Audi A4 DOESN'T have the EDL system you guys are talking about. In 2001 the Sedan 1.8T didn't have it. The wagon did (go figure). It has a dummy panel where the EDL switch should be. I do agree the A4 has no power to spin tires, but I still think it is an better system all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eamiller Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 EDL = Electronic Differential Locks. To my knowledge there is no way to disable it with an "EDL" button. My friend's 02 S4 contains no such button. It's integrated with the traction control system (which uses brakes and throttle control) and an integral part of the Quattro system. Perhaps you are referring to ESP, which is Electronic Stability Program (by Bosch) which uses an angular rate sensor along with a steering sensor to determine when the vehicle deviates from the intended path due to under or oversteer and uses the ABS system to brake an individual wheel. Independent of EDL or traction control (but probably running in the same microprocessor). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoss Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Ahh yes, you are correct. I don't have the ESP button that's what it is called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAckhouse1 Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 EDL = Electronic Differential Locks. To my knowledge there is no way to disable it with an "EDL" button. My friend's 02 S4 contains no such button. It's integrated with the traction control system (which uses brakes and throttle control) and an integral part of the Quattro system. Perhaps you are referring to ESP, which is Electronic Stability Program (by Bosch) which uses an angular rate sensor along with a steering sensor to determine when the vehicle deviates from the intended path due to under or oversteer and uses the ABS system to brake an individual wheel. Independent of EDL or traction control (but probably running in the same microprocessor). Like he siad, the EDL is the reason you don't get any wheel spin. I personally would rather have a true limited slip differential. -Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agctr Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Personally, I wouldnt say that AUDI is better than Subaru or Vice Versa. AUDI certainly can handle the power out put of their BULLETPROOF RS6 and RS4 which is fantastic. Our system is a little more sedate and maybe a bit more polished. Both systems have their advantages. Adam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderkind Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Bulletproof and Audi in the same sentence... now that is something you don't get to read often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Bulletproof and Audi in the same sentence... now that is something you don't get to read often. Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 moved to other cars My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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