SoldonSubie Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Been doing some research on these and it seems that they aren't the best tires. First, they're rated at 160 AA which means that they won't last that long. Also, the review section at Tire Track made them sound like they're pathetic snow tires. Anybody have any real world (snow, AWD) experience with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 The ones on the WRX are crappy- the ones on the Legacy are supposed to be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Look at this thread: [url]http://www.legacysti.com/viewtopic.php?t=812[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoldonSubie Posted May 29, 2004 Author Share Posted May 29, 2004 Thanks for the link! Curses! Not only do these tire suck but there don't seem to be too many alternatives that are good in the snow. Being as the primary reason for my owing a Subaru is to go in the snow I may be changing my choice to the Outback XT. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerdave Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Yeah. Snow performance has to do with *tires,* not an XT vs a GT, ground clearance aside. It's all about tires. If you want tires that are good in all 4-seasons with decent snowfall, good luck. Let us know when you find something. For me, I'll be getting dedicated 3-season tires, and snows for the winter. IMHO, it's the only way to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoldonSubie Posted May 29, 2004 Author Share Posted May 29, 2004 Racerdave: Thanks for the reply. Problem is I live at 7,000 feet and can drive in the snow as early as September and late as May. Snows for 3 seasons and HP tires for 1? My 01 Outback did just fine with those crappy Firestone Wilderness things and is much improved with the Michelin XGT h4's I put on last fall. I may go back to the dealer and drive on of the new Outbacks (more tire choices for the size). At least I have a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axis008 Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Upgrade to the Pirelli P-Zero Nero M/S! :) -ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerdave Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Either the Neros, or I think Nokian makes some "intermediate" tires too. So Soldon... where do you live at 7k feet? I can see the quandry... hmm... the Nero M&S could be good, but there might be others too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melvin Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 I switched out my stock Bridgestone Potenza tires on my 2K2 Legacy L Sedan after about 34K miles and went with the aggressive, all-season cut from Goodyear -- Eagle GT HR. See my positive account of its performance in the Technical Forum under 2005 Legacy 2.5i -- "2K2 2.5 Sedan Owner Facing 2K5 Sedan Upgrade Decision". Google this tire name to catch a quick look at its thread pattern. I'm not sure if they have a version of this tire that will fit onto the 2K5 Legacy GT but I would surely change over to them when the time came if they're available. The only thing is that my mileage dropped off slightly after installing the Goodyears but they have given me overall great grab and go power in the rain and snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoldonSubie Posted May 30, 2004 Author Share Posted May 30, 2004 Racerdave: I'm in Colorado. I do a lot a gravelling very early in the morning (3-5 AM) or late at night (10-Midnight) and plowing/cleaning roads seems to not be a concern for local authorities. I am now seriously looking into the XT alternative. Only in a monochromatic color though! I'm pretty happy with the handling of my 01 Outback so the XT should be nice. Does anybody have any links to pictures of the XT interior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtguy Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Soldonsubie, not that the XT isn't a most excellent choice (I was pretty much sold on a black one, then the lure of the pure road car came calling), but if you're thinking of tires, a good choice would make your GT unstoppable. 1. Nokian WR, an "all-weather" (Finnish for all-season) tire that is snow rated. I ran some on my WRX this past winter, and they did very well in the white stuff, but also rock the house in the dry. They're stable up to about 115mph, before they start getting squirmy. 2. Bridgestone Blizzak, a pure snow tire that comes in real snow, and performance snow. My preference would be for the real snow, the WS-series. With these on a Subaru, the car is unstoppable, period, no matter what the snow throws at you, unless it's so deep that you high side, which is unlikely. These are a better snow tire than the Nokian WR, but nowhere near as good a dry weather/rain tire, so it's your choice of tradeoff. On the other hand, the OBXT is a very cool ride. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Soldon, I plan on burning my RE92's up in the last few AutoX's up here, I won't drive on them for the winter. Considering how much/often we get snow, I'll probably be just fine with PZero Nero M&S or similar for a good all-around use while getting a dedicated wheel/tire combo for summer/AutoX use. Either the Nokian WR or Blizzak WS-50 should work great for you. If you're looking at something you don't want to take on/off, the WR's will probably be perfect. I know a number of guys that swear by them and ice race on them decently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPower Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 For those who have driven the GT, how were the tires? A 160 rating should mean that they are quite soft and should get some decent grip. These aren't necessarily the same pathetic qualities of the WRX's RE92 tires. I would definitely go with the Nero M+S for the second set. I'm sold on those tires for all around use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zevil Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Yeah, I was going to get a set of Nero M+S's too. They have gotten some rave reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Monkey Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 On the bright side, when you all wreck your Legacys, you can blame the RE-92s, WRX style. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 [quote name='racerdave']Yeah. Snow performance has to do with *tires,* not an XT vs a GT, ground clearance aside. It's all about tires. If you want tires that are good in all 4-seasons with decent snowfall, good luck. Let us know when you find something. For me, I'll be getting dedicated 3-season tires, and snows for the winter. IMHO, it's the only way to fly.[/quote] After moving to snow country I wll also buy a set of dedicated winter tires. But for the rest of the year, my choice is a summer tire or an all season tire. The one reason I can see to favor the all season tire is that they perform better at temperatures below 45F. It can of course get that cold in the evenings a month or two before the first snowfall arrives. But according to R&T, most summer tires have better rain performance than all season tires. Hmmmmmm, what to do, what to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 My plan might be to gradually transition and keep the 92's for awhile through winter. Then next spring get some good all-season tires to keep on the stock rims. Go a year with those, then get a new set of wheels with summer tires, and use the stock rims with the good all seasons for winter. It depends on my cash flow situation.. -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodro Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 [quote name='SoldonSubie']Racerdave: Thanks for the reply. Problem is I live at 7,000 feet and can drive in the snow as early as September and late as May. Snows for 3 seasons and HP tires for 1?[/quote] I sympathize. :-) I just took my snows off 3 weeks ago and usually put them on in late October. 2 seasons on, two season off -- but hey look at it this way, Winter tires are cheaper than ultra-high performance, and they wear better. I use Dunlop WinterSport M2s and they are actually very very good in the dry, quiet, and of course awesome in the snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agctr Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 The Oz-Spec cars are coming out with Bridgestone Potenza RE040e rated tyres. Once you get the green off them, they are fine. Currently running RE030 and they wear really great and I throw mine around a fair bit. I had a CRX a few years ago and I had RE88's and they were really great too, very stable in the wet and dry, although, remember to check yr PSi ratings, I run about 1 psi under the recommended which seems to work great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Monkey Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Just wear the RE92s out as fast as you can. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 That's my idea, then PZero Nero M&S or something of similar or better grade before the snow flies. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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