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Tuning Meth.. Same AFR with and w/o meth, reg. 93 fuel map!


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You only want to be altering your POL table to reflect for the meth when it is spraying. You can adjust the boost point at which it starts spraying. Generally a good rule of thumb is half of your wg spring, or however much meth want to use. On stock turbo i wouldnt want it spraying until atleast 5psi, because that thing is always spooled. GL. POL table should be high 12's if you're running 100% meth or low 12's if you're running a 50 50 mix.
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You're approaching an AFR of 13 in a few areas, which is a little higher than most like to be with meth. For comparison purposes, my AFR's don't go any higher than about 12.5.

 

The 50/50 mix should drop the afr half a point. U r running way too lean but its your car
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You're approaching an AFR of 13 in a few areas, which is a little higher than most like to be with meth. For comparison purposes, my AFR's don't go any higher than about 12.5.

yes, this is an issue I can't fix so far. i mean on some conditions (ususllay - colder outside, morning) I see up to 13:1 AFR, but the same map gives me on hotter (day) temps 12-12:5 AFR.

 

For now I've lowered OL AFR to get a lil bit richier mixture, to make it safer. Now I am getting 11.8-12.5 AFR on most logs/conditions.

 

I have meth starting at 3.0-3.2 MAFv (its a MAF based controller), which is after 7 PSI for low RPM, and 4-5 psi on higher.

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Load doesn't matter one bit if your MAF isn't scaled properly. MAF volts is a better gauge of power made or air being moved.

 

Since load is off..wouldn't that mess up all the load based tables..like timing?

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yes, this is an issue I can't fix so far. i mean on some conditions (ususllay - colder outside, morning) I see up to 13:1 AFR, but the same map gives me on hotter (day) temps 12-12:5 AFR.

 

For now I've lowered OL AFR to get a lil bit richier mixture, to make it safer. Now I am getting 11.8-12.5 AFR on most logs/conditions.

 

I have meth starting at 3.0-3.2 MAFv (its a MAF based controller), which is after 7 PSI for low RPM, and 4-5 psi on higher.

 

I wouldnt go much over 12.0:1 on 93+Meth, especially without a proper failsafe. How much timing are you running btw? There is a section in the POL Table section called " Minimum Primary Open Loop Enrichment," as you can see the maximum amount a/f ratio it allows past 87.4% throttle duty is only 12.5, this may explain why you're not hitting your leaner A/F values.

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^^ I did modify that table, posted previously. And I have failsafe, it helped engine to suurvive couple of times. I do hit my leaner AFR targets, the only problem I have that AFR vary +-0.5. Probaly the pump, or something else in meth kit causing this. Overall, i am happy with it. Anyway, thanks!

 

Edit: Sorry, it was another thread about that enrichment table..

( http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105992&page=10 )

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^^ Yes, timing was changed as well. I was datalogging a lot, making sure everything is Ok.

BTW, I still under 3.2 g/s of load (max I have on my timing map), hitting 3.10 when its less then 80F outside..

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JFYI my pol table is all 12.63, a/f is 11.5-11.6 tapering to 11.3 @ 26psi from 4400-7200 at load levels from 2.2-4.2gs. The reason for the taper up top is that I am reaching maf levels that I could not hit on my pump map. I actually prefer the richer a/f up top as 26psi is a lot of boost and is providing additional cooling. I am probably sacrificing a little bit of power but im fine with that. This is on an m10nozzle spraying 90% Meth 10% water mix.
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JFYI my pol table is all 12.63, a/f is 11.5-11.6 tapering to 11.3 @ 26psi from 4400-7200 at load levels from 2.2-4.2gs. The reason for the taper up top is that I am reaching maf levels that I could not hit on my pump map. I actually prefer the richer a/f up top as 26psi is a lot of boost and is providing additional cooling. I am probably sacrificing a little bit of power but im fine with that. This is on an m10nozzle spraying 90% Meth 10% water mix.

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Forgot all about that td05-20g I bet.:p

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I really liked some of the graphs/logs j255c posted of his old setup. Very nice street car. Now Shamar you know I have to say he should have "EWG that yo"...:lol:

 

Ill post up some logs of this one once i've sorted everything out.

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