izzy Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Is the cobb ap worth the wait? What are the advantages and disadvantages of both. Please help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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05gtlimited300 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 i have EcuTek on my 05 and my buddy has it on his 07. Its def more of a custom tune unlike AP but AP is easier to work with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyd2005 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Cobb AP = resale. Cobb AP = real time tuning capable. Cobb had a prototype at SEMA so it seems like it's only a matter of waiting for production. I would wait for the Cobb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Ecutek cannot be trusted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous1 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 i have EcuTek on my 05 and my buddy has it on his 07. Its def more of a custom tune unlike AP but AP is easier to work with Ecutek is no more custom tuned than Cobb, just that when you purchase the license it is only good for that ECU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT_NKY Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 ecutek has a real time tuning capability too... AP is probably a better product, as you can remove the tune prior to taking your car to a dealer, etc. if you do not care whether subbie dealer knows about your mods, and have ecutek dealer in the area.... then ecutek might be a good choice too... cheaper (of course no resale value)... locks your ecu, thus subbie dealer can not read or overwrite it, thus can't mess things up for you.... and as long as you have ecutek dealer close by, you can always go back to flash car back to stock or get a re-tune etc. you will prolly get more HP out of ecutek, because you will mostly likely have a custom tune.... of course you can get a custom tune done using AP too... in that case power will be same (assuming the same tuner does a tune)... look into utec delta too (you can get used one w/ remote map switch for around $350)... it has a lot of benefits and does not require a re-flash of your stock ecu... utec also has its limitations though... i am planning on using UTEC + Openecu (when become available for 07+).... the fourth option is a reflash tool from obdtool dot org... it uses software called xidash.... looks very similar to ecutek... i think there were even some legal battles re: copyright laws.... either way the tool from obdtool is cheap and works... copyright issue is his problem, not consumers'... the only catch i do not know if it works on 07+ yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinh Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Ecutek is no more custom tuned than Cobb, just that when you purchase the license it is only good for that ECU. True, ECUTek is only good for your ECU...but AP uses generic maps (Stage 1, 2, etc..) purchased from COBB. Not truly specific for your car. ECUTek, with a good tuner can get a better, more custom tune. Pros and cons for both. KevinH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 AP is probably a better product, as you can remove the tune prior to taking your car to a dealer, etc. Speaking of this... I am planning to do an AP stage 1 as soon as it is released for the '07 LGT. I have already had the dealer do an ECU reflash to fix "the stutter" (it didn't help). If I remove the AP tune before bringing it back to the dealer for service, does it revert to the original stock program, or to the post-reflash program? In other words, does the AP read and save the program that is currently installed on your car, or does it just use a generic map that is pre-loaded onto the AP? I'm just wondering if the dealer would find it suspicious that their reflash mysteriously reverted to stock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT_NKY Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Speaking of this... I am planning to do an AP stage 1 as soon as it is released for the '07 LGT. I have already had the dealer do an ECU reflash to fix "the stutter" (it didn't help). If I remove the AP tune before bringing it back to the dealer for service, does it revert to the original stock program, or to the post-reflash program? In other words, does the AP read and save the program that is currently installed on your car, or does it just use a generic map that is pre-loaded onto the AP? I'm just wondering if the dealer would find it suspicious that their reflash mysteriously reverted to stock! when you marry AP w/ your ECU, AP makes a backup of your original image if you were to take a car to a dealer (when AP is married), and dealer flashes your ecu then you SOL, as AP will not recognize your ECU, and you will need to send AP back to Cobb and pay $$ to unmarry it... if you unmarry it before taking the car to the dealer, you will have an original ecu image on the car... if dealer reflashes your original, then you can connect AP and marry it again... AP will make a backup of your current image (the one that dealer just flashed) hope this helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous1 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 The Apv2 will reflash back to the rom that was on the car before it was installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim1969 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 True, ECUTek is only good for your ECU...but AP uses generic maps (Stage 1, 2, etc..) purchased from COBB. Not truly specific for your car. ECUTek, with a good tuner can get a better, more custom tune. Pros and cons for both. No. You get off-the-shelf maps when you buy AP but it can be protuned and give the same results as EcuTeK. The tune is a result of the tuner, not the software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim1969 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 ecutek has a real time tuning capability too... AP is probably a better product, as you can remove the tune prior to taking your car to a dealer, etc. if you do not care whether subbie dealer knows about your mods, and have ecutek dealer in the area.... then ecutek might be a good choice too... cheaper (of course no resale value)... locks your ecu, thus subbie dealer can not read or overwrite it, thus can't mess things up for you.... and as long as you have ecutek dealer close by, you can always go back to flash car back to stock or get a re-tune etc. you will prolly get more HP out of ecutek, because you will mostly likely have a custom tune.... of course you can get a custom tune done using AP too... in that case power will be same (assuming the same tuner does a tune)... look into utec delta too (you can get used one w/ remote map switch for around $350)... it has a lot of benefits and does not require a re-flash of your stock ecu... utec also has its limitations though... i am planning on using UTEC + Openecu (when become available for 07+).... the fourth option is a reflash tool from obdtool dot org... it uses software called xidash.... looks very similar to ecutek... i think there were even some legal battles re: copyright laws.... either way the tool from obdtool is cheap and works... copyright issue is his problem, not consumers'... the only catch i do not know if it works on 07+ yet... I don't believe EcuTeK has real time tuning. At my last dyno tuning session, that was one of the big advantages of the AP. Much faster tuning vs my EcuTeK which had to be reflashed at every change. Where did you find UTEC delta with the remote map switch for $350? That's an absolute steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 when you marry AP w/ your ECU, AP makes a backup of your original image if you were to take a car to a dealer (when AP is married), and dealer flashes your ecu then you SOL, as AP will not recognize your ECU, and you will need to send AP back to Cobb and pay $$ to unmarry it... if you unmarry it before taking the car to the dealer, you will have an original ecu image on the car... if dealer reflashes your original, then you can connect AP and marry it again... AP will make a backup of your current image (the one that dealer just flashed) hope this helps So if I am understanding you and Infamous1 correctly, the AP does not come preloaded with a stock map that it reloads onto your ECU when you unmarry it, it just backs up whatever map was on your car immediately before you marry it? In other words, if I unmarry the AP, my car will revert to the dealer's last reflash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT_NKY Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I don't believe EcuTeK has real time tuning. At my last dyno tuning session, that was one of the big advantages of the AP. Much faster tuning vs my EcuTeK which had to be reflashed at every change. Where did you find UTEC delta with the remote map switch for $350? That's an absolute steal. Ecutek offers real time tuning, see below info from their site:" The screen shot above shows the live user tuning window of DeltaDash. From here, you can alter various engine parameters in real time - that's while the engine is running ". I do not believe they allow you to switch between different real time maps though. I got UTEC form nasioc.... it came from 07 sti, and all i needed to do was to flash new firmware from turboxs... the seller also through in end links for free (which i sold on ebay), thus the final price was $360 (utec + switch) minus $80 (sale of endlinks) = $280 for utec shipped... these things have bad resale value... however, if you buy a used one, you can come out pretty good... i really do not understand why 07 & 08s did not jump on them a year ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous1 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 So if I am understanding you and Infamous1 correctly, the AP does not come preloaded with a stock map that it reloads onto your ECU when you unmarry it, it just backs up whatever map was on your car immediately before you marry it? In other words, if I unmarry the AP, my car will revert to the dealer's last reflash? Yes it will reload your car's current rom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT_NKY Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 So if I am understanding you and Infamous1 correctly, the AP does not come preloaded with a stock map that it reloads onto your ECU when you unmarry it, it just backs up whatever map was on your car immediately before you marry it? In other words, if I unmarry the AP, my car will revert to the dealer's last reflash? correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim1969 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Ecutek offers real time tuning, see below info from their site:" The screen shot above shows the live user tuning window of DeltaDash. From here, you can alter various engine parameters in real time - that's while the engine is running ". I do not believe they allow you to switch between different real time maps though. I got UTEC form nasioc.... it came from 07 sti, and all i needed to do was to flash new firmware from turboxs... the seller also through in end links for free (which i sold on ebay), thus the final price was $360 (utec + switch) minus $80 (sale of endlinks) = $280 for utec shipped... these things have the pretty bad resale value... however, if you buy a used one, you can come out pretty good... i really do not get why 07 & 08s did not jump on them a year ago... I already have EcuTeK. If I was to add meth inj. I'd put UTEC Delta on top of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biz77 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 So if I am understanding you and Infamous1 correctly, the AP does not come preloaded with a stock map that it reloads onto your ECU when you unmarry it, it just backs up whatever map was on your car immediately before you marry it? In other words, if I unmarry the AP, my car will revert to the dealer's last reflash? This is correct for AP V.2 only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biz77 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I already have EcuTeK. If I was to add meth inj. I'd put UTEC Delta on top of it. Why not just reflash the ECU to handle the meth injection? Why give up the safety margin the ECU offers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim1969 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 The Ecu would still be giving the safety margin. The UTEC would run with the meth. If the pump went, ran out of fluid, etc. I could take the UTEC out of the loop and run my EcuTeK'd ECU. So I'd get my EcuTeK'd ECU tuned as is then have the UTEC Delta tuned for meth only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous1 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 This is correct for AP V.2 only. In which is only one that will be available for the 07+ vehicles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biz77 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 The Ecu would still be giving the safety margin. The UTEC would run with the meth. If the pump went, ran out of fluid, etc. I could take the UTEC out of the loop and run my EcuTeK'd ECU. So I'd get my EcuTeK'd ECU tuned as is then have the UTEC Delta tuned for meth only. So instead of referencing boost or MAF to trigger the meth activation, you would be triggering your meth system from the UTEC after the crossover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT_NKY Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Why not just reflash the ECU to handle the meth injection? Why give up the safety margin the ECU offers? utec can be used to configure a number of safety items, for example it can detect knock and automatically retard your timing, it can be configured for a boost cut, etc. How is ECU any better in this (assuming same sensors are used)? Another great feature of UTEC - it flashes your CEL every time knock is detected. Hence, you can pull over right away or change your map any time you see persisting knock. In the case of ECU, you will not even know your car is knocking, unless you data log 100% of a time (like i do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoWagon Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Both= Double the HP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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