Gator GT Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Somehow I was under the impression from RalliTek's site that they were selling the AVO downpipe with a HFC of the metal substrate kind. So why did I open the box today to find this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/g8rauctioner/Subaru/wholepipewcat01.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/g8rauctioner/Subaru/catzoom01.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/g8rauctioner/Subaru/catzoom02.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/g8rauctioner/Subaru/catpartnumber.jpg Flash was shut off on last pic so as to be able to actually READ the stamped numbers on the shield. This site lists a similar part number and someone suggests its a Random CAT: http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66415 This site (SuperCat) seems to say this is a Magnaflow Universal Catalytic Converter 53000 Round Series, which matches the pic I've posted: http://www.supercatconverters.com/universal_catalytic_converters.asp Here is a web link showing the difference between a metal and ceramic cat: http://www.surefloexhaust.com.au/balisticcat01.htm So, needless to say, from web research, it looks like this is NOT a metal substrate HFC. A bit disappointed! Needless to say, I'll be calling them tomorrow! I did not pay $600 for a ceramic cat thinking I was getting a metal cat! Why does RalliTek's page show 2 different DPs, cat-wise??? "If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed." - T. Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 That appears to be Magnaflow's CARB legal ceramic cat. They are supposed to be good flowing cats, but they are ceramic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyd2005 Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Sounds like Rallitek made a mistake in the advertising. I was always under the impression that the AVO downpipe had a CARB legal ceramic cat. http://www.avoturboworld.com/avoshop/product_info.php?cPath=1_58_3_8&products_id=242 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator GT Posted October 11, 2007 Author Share Posted October 11, 2007 Sounds like Rallitek made a mistake in the advertising. I was always under the impression that the AVO downpipe had a CARB legal ceramic cat. http://www.avoturboworld.com/avoshop/product_info.php?cPath=1_58_3_8&products_id=242 http://www.avoturboworld.com/avoshop/product_info.php?cPath=1_58_3_8&products_id=359 yeah, maybe a mistake in advertising or part number listing...cause AVO sells a metal cat DP and a ceramic cat DP. RalliTek lists the ceramic part number with a metal cat title. grrrr! "If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed." - T. Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyd2005 Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Oh... You know... I have never seen that downpipe before (the new AVO with metal substrate cat). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mines Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 yea, I have the metal one. The metal one does not have a heatshield over the cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camber Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 They're both the same price too! Good to know this piece of into since I was about to order this DP. Aren't Metal cats usually more expensive and flow better? You would think that AVO wouldn't charge the same price for both pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 CARB legal cats are very expensive and directly comparable in cost to metallic substrate cats. It's no surprise that the two variants cost the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyWifezLEGi Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 its still a cast outlet right ? i thought i saw a post where avo said they use stainless steet instead because japanese market dont like the cast look http://www.avoturboworld.com/avoshop/images/500/500_bp_downpipe001.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyd2005 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 CARB legal cats are very expensive and directly comparable in cost to metallic substrate cats. It's no surprise that the two variants cost the same. Except AVO lists the metal substrate cat as CARB legal as well. It could be another mistake in advertising though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostjunkie Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I do not know of any 50 state (ie: CARB) legal metal substrate cats. I'm guessing another boo boo on their part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camber Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 its still a cast outlet right ? i thought i saw a post where avo said they use stainless steet instead because japanese market dont like the cast look Yep... The NA's are cast outlets but the JDM twin scroll AVO DPs aren't. Also, when AVO releases their twin scroll kits they will have a new cast twin scroll bellmouth that can replace non twin scroll bellmouth on our NA AVO DPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator GT Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 For the USDM market, both cermaic and metal cats have bolted cast mouths. I don't know what is what for other markets. I spoke with RalliTek on Thursday, and they are aware of the part number issue. From what RT says, AVO likes to change part numbers really quick without telling anyone. They are going to get ahold of Ross in Japan and get this straightened out for me. We'll see what goes on. According to AVO website: Metal cat DP: 2005-525 Ceramic cat DP: 2005-500 "If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed." - T. Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyWifezLEGi Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 thanks for the part number i like the ceramic look, more oem'ish look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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