gtguy Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 The more I look, the more I like. That killer grille...225-55-17s...ground clearance galore, same great amenities, gearbox and motor on the XT. I know the suspension will have different tuning, and probably won't be as "road worthy," but...I really like that car in the forest green monotone. Am I crazy, or has the wait just pushed me over the edge? Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zevil Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 you were trying to talk me out of an XT earlier. I am still considering one. they look great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 Just would like to point out that if I was buying either a 3.0 Legacy or Outback with no intention of suspension modification, I would go for the Outback myself. Better gearing selection and a more rewarding ride/suspension feel for my tastes - as in, firmer with less body roll than the non-height enhanced Legacy. That is if the turbo models follow the same path (no turbo Outback in Japan). Cheers, Paul Hansen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtguy Posted April 4, 2004 Author Share Posted April 4, 2004 [quote name='apexjapan']Just would like to point out that if I was buying either a 3.0 Legacy or Outback with no intention of suspension modification, I would go for the Outback myself. Better gearing selection and a more rewarding ride/suspension feel for my tastes - as in, firmer with less body roll than the non-height enhanced Legacy. That is if the turbo models follow the same path (no turbo Outback in Japan). Cheers, Paul Hansen[/quote] You're no help, Hansen! :lol: That suspension tuning thing is interesting, however. I wonder if the turbo (XT) here will get different suspension tuning than the other Outbacks. What's interesting is that here, the XT has the highest ride height of any of the Outbacks. It isn't huge, but nonetheless... Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 The extra tire probably will offset that harder ride. ;) Besides, it's a truck now, you can't race a truck in SCCA rules IIRC for Solo 1, 2. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtguy Posted April 4, 2004 Author Share Posted April 4, 2004 [quote name='SUBE555']The extra tire probably will offset that harder ride. ;) Besides, it's a truck now, you can't race a truck in SCCA rules IIRC for Solo 1, 2. :lol:[/quote] Who's racing? I just want the coolest ride I can get. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 It was a move designed to balance out the fact that the Outback is higher off the ground, thus needed a bit more roll-resistance to keep things on track. The side benefit was that, up to about 7 or 8/10's, the Outback feels (and is) better damped and stable. If you were going to drive past the 7/10's point for any significant period of time, the lower car is better. These days, it is rare for even I to drive above 8/10's. But I have enough track appearances scheduled this year that my new GT is going to have a full complement of braking and suspension upgrades at the least. Cheers, Paul Hansen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 And that's what I would see the meaning for the more compliant ride for- the higher center of gravity. Paul, we envy you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zevil Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 I am still considering the Outback XT. in truth I had never stopped considering it. I think that it looks more aggresive than the GT and I can drive through that much more snow. But I have always felt that I would be getting away from a great handling vehicle if I got one. So Paul, you are saying that this isn't the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 I'll be AutoXing mine and maybe a few high-speed AutoX's at like Gingerman or Blackhawk, so I'm preferential to the lower stance. But I'd say if you just want something a bit more potent than stock and primarily use it for road travel (like through snow), this would probably be an alright vehicle. I just like the lower stance of the Legacy (which will probably also get STi springs under there too effectively taking out maybe another inch or so. Hmm, wonder if I can get that low sedan CD with that as I noticed little has changed externally to the OB versus a Legacy but has a higher ride and higher CD. *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ20H-TT Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 [quote name='apexjapan']But I have enough track appearances scheduled this year that my new GT is going to have a full complement of braking and suspension upgrades at the least. Cheers, Paul Hansen[/quote] Hi Paul Getting a new GT ? I presume you are not getting a spec B and going to do your own suspesion a sort of spec Hansen. Whats to become of the TT beast ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 Someone else's beast I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 Two for one special: At least in Japan, Legacy 3.0 vs. Outback 3.0 back to back, the suspension on the Outback was more roll resistant and damped than the Legacy. YMMV on American models, but they did do it that way to counter the fact that the Outback has a higher COG but was going to go as fast as the Legacy. Alas, yes, the Blue Streak is being passed on to a new owner at some time in the future (friday). I managed to dent the door when leaving a very narrow area of rural Japan, and whilst getting a repair estimate, the wife decided that it would be cheaper to get a new car. I still do not fully follow the logic, but the end result is not something I am going to argue with. Big Blue dyno'ed out at 300hp during it's swan song dyno run, this was with a panel filter and stock airbox to boot. Up 54hp from stock, felt like a small-block or big V6, with the power up by that much literally everywhere. Right now, it is stock. In all it's bouncy feeling glory. It still has the centre pipe and muffler on, though, till I source some stock units to replace it. Til then, I am forbidden full throttle runs of any note, given that knock would likely rear it's engine-blowing head if I did. Replacement is via a Legacy GT turbo, standard trim. After talking it over with some experts, general consensus was that the longer geared GT would actually be better than the Spec B, due to the lack of top-end power in the new Legacies. Since peak torque hits at 2400rpm and holds to 5400rpm, longer gearing would take better advantage of this engine especially if power and torque is raised by quite a bit. And once the engine does let go, a 2.5-litre short block is going to go in. I may not even wait for the engine to let go, if adding an STi twin-scroll turbine doesn't do it. :twisted: Happily, 225 series rubber fits with no worries, and I'm sure a bit of massage will have 235 series rubber under there. With what is planned, I would not be surprised if we manage to put a hurting to Evo's with the (again) Blue Beast II. The biggest problem may be time, I may have scored a job that will guarantee my finances - and no life. Cheers, Paul Hansen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 No life because you'll be in the office all hours or you'll be on the track all the time? Which is it? :lol: Best of luck. I know you'll do well at whatever you do, and I know the GT will really be a fun toy, can't wait to see pics and the parts going on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtguy Posted April 4, 2004 Author Share Posted April 4, 2004 [quote name='apexjapan']Two for one special: At least in Japan, Legacy 3.0 vs. Outback 3.0 back to back, the suspension on the Outback was more roll resistant and damped than the Legacy. YMMV on American models, but they did do it that way to counter the fact that the Outback has a higher COG but was going to go as fast as the Legacy. Cheers, Paul Hansen[/quote] You're killing me, Paul. Mmmmm...black XT, done and out the door. Yes, the XT would have to be black, stress and insanity be damned. The only question would be what to get for snow wheels, since my P1s are too nice for winter wheels. :lol: Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted April 5, 2004 Share Posted April 5, 2004 [quote name='SUBE555']No life because you'll be in the office all hours or you'll be on the track all the time? Which is it? :lol: [/quote] Office, unfortunately. Or may be travelling a bit more. Possibly a lot more. Hard to say, but at the current rate, may have a new car and no time to drive it. :o Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zevil Posted April 5, 2004 Share Posted April 5, 2004 [quote name='gtguy'][quote name='apexjapan']Two for one special: At least in Japan, Legacy 3.0 vs. Outback 3.0 back to back, the suspension on the Outback was more roll resistant and damped than the Legacy. YMMV on American models, but they did do it that way to counter the fact that the Outback has a higher COG but was going to go as fast as the Legacy. Cheers, Paul Hansen[/quote] You're killing me, Paul. Mmmmm...black XT, done and out the door. Yes, the XT would have to be black, stress and insanity be damned. The only question would be what to get for snow wheels, since my P1s are too nice for winter wheels. :lol: Kevin[/quote] So you are serious about going outback? I just wanted to know if I was the only one. I am going back and forth between an OBXT and a GT limited. I just can't decide... dammit! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteVTEC Posted April 5, 2004 Share Posted April 5, 2004 I would probably go with an Outback also, if it wasn't for the fact that we already have a Highlander. The extra ground clearance is great for when we head down to the Outer Banks where they let you drive on the beach. But our Highlander already does a good enough job through that stuff. It can also swallow up more than enough cargo. So most likely a 2.5GT sedan for me. That's interesting on the suspension and ride differences though. Hmmmmm.. An Outback XT would definitely be more of a sleeper also. Double hmmmmmmmm :) Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zevil Posted April 5, 2004 Share Posted April 5, 2004 That outback would get a world-class debadging as soon as it got home though :D but that's just me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted April 5, 2004 Share Posted April 5, 2004 Remember, higher ride height also increase the CD and therefore a little more fuel as well. Will be interesting to see the EPA rated mileage specs on the new models. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteVTEC Posted April 5, 2004 Share Posted April 5, 2004 The difference in drag force between 0.28 and 0.31 is negligible enough that I doubt it would affect fuel mileage significantly - a few pounds of drag at cruising speeds at most I would think. Hmm...I'll have to dump the specs into my application that does this for me. Overall drag force is also a function of frontal area also (along with the Cd), and I don't think that's changing very much. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted April 5, 2004 Share Posted April 5, 2004 See what the difference would be at like 80mph (given traveling out west or wherever.) Don't know if the ratios are different between either too. IIRC, if they use the FXT 4.444, it will be up a little on revs and such and a few more things come to play including rolling rubber friction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtguy Posted April 5, 2004 Author Share Posted April 5, 2004 [quote name='Dr. Zevil'][quote name='gtguy'][quote name='apexjapan']Two for one special: At least in Japan, Legacy 3.0 vs. Outback 3.0 back to back, the suspension on the Outback was more roll resistant and damped than the Legacy. YMMV on American models, but they did do it that way to counter the fact that the Outback has a higher COG but was going to go as fast as the Legacy. Cheers, Paul Hansen[/quote] You're killing me, Paul. Mmmmm...black XT, done and out the door. Yes, the XT would have to be black, stress and insanity be damned. The only question would be what to get for snow wheels, since my P1s are too nice for winter wheels. :lol: Kevin[/quote] So you are serious about going outback? I just wanted to know if I was the only one. I am going back and forth between an OBXT and a GT limited. I just can't decide... dammit! :lol:[/quote] Heck yeah, I'm serious. That grille alone makes the OB worth considering. My guess would be, referencing a post that Sube makes below, that the OBXT would get the same 4.11 final as the GT. Oh, and in what might be the first published review of the Legacy, check this snippet out... <<There’s a switch that powers the rear seatbacks up or down from the back, for those moments when you’ve got a kid in one hand and three grocery bags in the cart.>> Oh, man...I hope this is true. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zevil Posted April 5, 2004 Share Posted April 5, 2004 i am so torn.. I really like the OB fender flares and front foglamps. it looks like a much more aggressive beast! I just don't want to sacrafice too much fun-factor over the GT. I wonder if there will be any sacrafices at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted April 5, 2004 Share Posted April 5, 2004 Stock, the JDM 3.0 Outback was as, or more, fun than the Legacy. And if you were going to change the suspension, you could lower the Outback as well. :twisted: Cheers, Paul Hansen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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