ERLoft Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Well, this is only the initial review, as I haven't had a chance to drive too much, but a quick review with the installation notes. Pictures to follow - probably next week sometime. The Harman Motive kit includes: Perrin 25mm Adjustable RSB Perrin 22mm Adjustable FSB Perrin Stout Mounts Kartboy Rear Endlinks Kartboy Front Endlinks The price is $600 for everything. 1) Installation. RSB's are fun to install. Funner than Imprezas in any case. I ended up removing the rear section of my exhaust to do it. Also, an impact wrench is a VERY good idea when it comes time to install the Stout Mounts! I would very much advise against doing it without one. I imagine on a normal exhaust, this would be pretty easy from here out, but with the Autospeed Exahaust, things get tricky. The RSB does not play nice with the exhaust. I hooked everything up and lowered the car. Eeewww! The RSB is resting on the exhaust. Hmmm, not good. But wait! The Autospeed exhaust comes with RSB relocator pieces that move the mounting point a bit higher. Brilliant! Only problem is, that the lower bolt for the relocation kit uses the same hole as the Perrin Stout Mounts. So, what to do? Well, I ended up taking the bolt for the Stout Mounts, along with a couple heavy duty washers, and threading it through from the opposite side, then adding the nut. When the car was lowered back down, the center portion of the RSB is a couple of MM above the exhaust. Good think I used an extra long Kartboy hanger for the rear midpipe exhaust hanger! So far, I don't think anything's knocked together. If I took a big bump - enough to really make the exhaust move around - I might get a clang out of the exhaust, but all seems well. They're compatible, but only just! The FSB is far easier. That is if you get the sway bar right side up. I tried upside down first. Doesn't work that way. Trust me. Driving Impressions: Definitely flatter in the corners. MUCH flatter. Ride is affected, but not overly so. These bars are stiff enough that each side doesn't move independantly near so well anymore, and as a result, more gets transmitted to the car. Additional noise is non-existant. I need to get the car to a nice open spot to really find out how much 'Tail Out' I can get. I'll post more impressions once I can really get a chance to push the car with the new bars. 2013 █S4 - Glacier White - DSG - B&O - Tech Package - Sports Diff - Napa - RS4 Grille - Stasis Exhaust - APR Intake - KW Variant 1 - Stern Control Arms - CR-15 - Stasis RSB - Moog Endlinks - PC Hyper Black Peelers - Deval Front Lip - ECS Rear Diffuser - Carbon Imports Ducktail - ECS Mirror Caps - Relak Paddle Extensions - Autostyle Floor Mats - LED Interior - V1 - Blackvue DR900s - [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTGT Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 First review of the 25mm bars. Sounds like a nice setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hifiandmtb Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Pics of the Perrin Stout Mounts installed please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 I'd like to know how they turn out when you really test them out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineyLGT805 Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 I just purchased the Perrin f/r 25mm sways and endlinks from Harman and was wondering how long the install took and how well they worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERLoft Posted April 28, 2008 Author Share Posted April 28, 2008 Install wasn't that hard - although the front bar was a bit of a bitch. As long as you've got decent tools, 2-3 hours should be good. I really like my setup, but since I've had it for so long and haven't ridden in many other LGT's, especially stock setups, I can't give a good description of the differences. 2013 █S4 - Glacier White - DSG - B&O - Tech Package - Sports Diff - Napa - RS4 Grille - Stasis Exhaust - APR Intake - KW Variant 1 - Stern Control Arms - CR-15 - Stasis RSB - Moog Endlinks - PC Hyper Black Peelers - Deval Front Lip - ECS Rear Diffuser - Carbon Imports Ducktail - ECS Mirror Caps - Relak Paddle Extensions - Autostyle Floor Mats - LED Interior - V1 - Blackvue DR900s - [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineyLGT805 Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 Thanks. I just put the Cobb sport springs on last week and love the improved handling. I then decided to go with sway bars and endlinks and am excited to see how much better it handles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harman.khinda Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 Excellent kit to compliment my new tires and springs. I'd like to go with the Perrin Sways as well but, 25mm might be too much. Let us know how you like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIKDMAX Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 Im doing this install on Pineys LGT later tonight. In doing some reading it seems like the 25mm rear sway combined with the stock mounts is a bad idea? Should we order up a set of stout mounts? Is it best to install them at the same time or easy enough to add after the bar install? We have the bar and Perrin endlinks ready to install but will wait if the Stout mounts should be added and is easiest done all together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyan Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 the 25mm perrin bar should come with reinforcement brackets. at least mine did and another one i saw.... Mike SoCal Duck Hunters Club - Unit 52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERLoft Posted April 30, 2008 Author Share Posted April 30, 2008 Yeah, the Harman kit comes with stout mounts, so you're covered there. 2013 █S4 - Glacier White - DSG - B&O - Tech Package - Sports Diff - Napa - RS4 Grille - Stasis Exhaust - APR Intake - KW Variant 1 - Stern Control Arms - CR-15 - Stasis RSB - Moog Endlinks - PC Hyper Black Peelers - Deval Front Lip - ECS Rear Diffuser - Carbon Imports Ducktail - ECS Mirror Caps - Relak Paddle Extensions - Autostyle Floor Mats - LED Interior - V1 - Blackvue DR900s - [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineyLGT805 Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 Thanks i found them mixed in with the bubble wrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08specB Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 I'm running the Perrin 25mm F/R sways on my car, with no other suspension mods and I love them. I just set them on the "soft" settings, and it keeps the car flat, very flat. It totally changed the way the car handles cornering. My butt dyno would swear that it is more stable and I feel much more confident taking hard corners. I have yet to try them on a track or auto-x. But if this is any bit of use for a description, I don't know what else is. There is an intersection on my way home that I like to cut into, hard, and I have had my traction control system actually kick in! Just ignore the fact that I was turning at around 40+mph at the time. But, that was probably due to the crappy OEM tires reaching their limits too. Bridgestone. If you care about performance, don't buy/use/run these! If I had something important to say, I wouldn't tell you anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineyLGT805 Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 Does the SPEC B come with any stock suspension upgrades or is it similar to the regular LGT? As far as bridgestones go . . . i got rid of mine as well and got some rt615 and they are a dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08specB Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 The Spec-B has Bilstein struts, and aluminum A-arms/controller arms. Pretty much most of the main suspension parts are aluminum. Now for the eternal search for springs until I can afford coilovers. What brand are the RT615's. I'm drawing a blank, I SHOULD know this. THX. EDIT: I'm just waiting for them to burn up. I'm surprised that they have lasted a year the way I drive!! If I had something important to say, I wouldn't tell you anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIKDMAX Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 They are Falken Azenis RT615 225/45/17. The car also has Cobb lowering springs and now 25mm rear Perrin bar with Perrin endlinks. Install wasnt too bad once I figured out which way the damn bar is aligned in there haha. The heim endlinks Perrin sells are definately quality. Only issue we had was the 4 nuts for the endlink bolts were not included - a trip to Home Depot for 4 grade 8 nuts and we were squared away. Rear bar took about 2 hours to do on the ground without a lift... air tools are a must. Next up is the Perrin front bar and endlinks - Ive heard install is a little tougher on the front bar? Is this due to getting the physical bar in and out of its location or what? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIKDMAX Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Pics of the Perrin Stout Mounts installed please? I will post pics of a set I installed last night this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIKDMAX Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 I will post pics of a set I installed last night this afternoon. Heres a pic I snapped just now of it - kinda hard to see but you get the point. Bolts to the subframe mount and then reinforces that bracket. http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r58/SandInspiredKustomz/Frosty/DSC05974.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demo243 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I am thinking about running this kit with my stock suspension. I was wondering if any of you with this kit or similar has had a chance to see how tail happy the car is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineyLGT805 Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I am thinking about running this kit with my stock suspension. I was wondering if any of you with this kit or similar has had a chance to see how tail happy the car is. I have the 25mm rear Perrin sway with endlinks. The ass end feels like i just got out bootcamp. Way more responsive in turns and if your stupid enough like me can pitch the tail a little sideways around sharp turns. I definently want the front sway and endlinks cause the understeer is too much for the performance the rear can handle. Hope this helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineyLGT805 Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Oh i also have the cobb sport springs as well which i would suggest running. My front end isn't as wobbly when i accelerate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demo243 Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 yea that does help. it was exactly what i wanted to hear. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demo243 Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 I know its a little bit of an older topic but i was wondering if anybody had anything new to say about this set up after driving with it for a bit? how does it handle in the rain? i was driving in the rain yesterday, and wondering how twitchy it might make the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbc84 Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 or even in the snow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 this may help you boys with your suspension choices. bosco Stay Stock Stay Happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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