Beanboy Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Faster than an auto LGT, would give a manual LGT a hurting from a slow roll, and might just eek out a win at speed. C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec Zero to 100 mph: 14.5 sec Zero to 130 mph: 31.0 sec Street start, 5–60 mph: 6.1 sec Standing ¼-mile: 14.3 sec @ 99 mph You know, average family sedans with automatics are getting way too fast nowadays. Wonder when Subaru will throw some more power at the LGT. New Altima has 270HP, correct? Yes, the Subaru is a much better candidate if you are going to modify. Yes the Legacy is a better starting point for a more balanced performance vehicle. Yes AWD is a huge advantage to some. Yes you can't shut off the Camry's stability control. But the Camry gets better fuel economy (22/31), is faster from anything but a dead stop versus a manual LGT, is larger on the inside, has more goodies, stops shorter, and runs on 87 octane. Cmon Subaru, beg/borrow/steal direct injection from Toyota and give us another 40HP or so already. Sharpen up the suspension a bit more on the performance models, throw on better stock tires, and improve brake and steering feel. Subaru is going to feel the pinch with Legacy sales if they don't keep up with real upgrades if all they can offer that's better than the competition is a better platform to modify and AWD. -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 IORE&^!!! Don't start with that again, hehe -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0032 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Subaru is going to feel the pinch with Legacy sales if they don't keep up with real upgrades if all they can offer that's better than the competition is a better platform to modify and AWD. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53609 Going to feel the pinch I just hope Subaru is still around when im ready for my next car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speeddr7 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 The LGT is defenitely a better candidate for mods, but not everyone wants to do that. They do have to step it up and stop milking the awd thing. Who needs tickets to the gun show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Just go buy a Pontiac G8 er..... Holden Commodore with the LS2 in it, and laugh your ass off as you blow LGT's and Camrys off of the road when you pass them. 400hp & 400lb-ft FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 If you want the LGT to go faster, just stop driving 2 of the wheels. AWD is heavier and more inefficient due to drivetrain loss. Put the two cars on a dirt road or any other adverse conditions and see which car is faster. Of course those numbers are only in a straight line. I don't drive in straight lines, much, but what happens when you start driving through things call corners and turns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 But the Camry gets better fuel economy (22/31), is faster from anything but a dead stop versus a manual LGT, is larger on the inside, has more goodies, stops shorter, and runs on 87 octane. I thought the point of a turbo vs. more cylinder was that a smaller displacement would yield better gas mileage? Same idea with a supercharger. More air = better no? The Camry also has a 6 speed auto. Which makes a dif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I thought the point of a turbo vs. more cylinder was that a smaller displacement would yield better gas mileage? Same idea with a supercharger. More air = better no? The Camry also has a 6 speed auto. Which makes a dif. In order to get more power from that air, more fuel is also required negating any potential fuel savings. The NA motor also doesn't have to contend with the extra exhaust restriction of the turbocharger to vent spent gasses. This allows the NA motor to not work as hard at cruising speed as our motor does at cruising speed off boost. Superchargers waste even more fuel as they are belt driven off of the crank, and are always taking a parasitic cut of power and fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 Corners? Most people don't push their cars that far to the limit. Hell, the stock LGT isn't all that hot stock with RE92s and the soft suspension. How about braking? LGT is horrible stock. Family sedans and many SUVs can outbrake it. Should folks have to go to the aftermarket right away for a fix? How many are willing? Yes, the Legacy is a better platform to mod and the AWD is a huge plus...but the market isn't big enough for Subaru to survive if the Legacy is beaten in every other area: fuel economy, braking, interior size, acceleration, ability to use cheap gas, blahblahblah... With all of the disadvantages the LGT has and if Subaru doesn't want to compete head-on, go for the performance then. Use direct injection to get the 275HP without hurting fuel economy while widening the area under the curve. Get better OEM tires on the car and get better braking numbers. Improve/sharpen steering and braking feel, along with suspension so it feels less like a Camry and more like a BMW. -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Direct injection boosts horespower without sacraficing gas mileage??!?!!? SIGN ME UP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 Much better control of amount of fuel, along with cooling ability let's car run leaner. Helps with emissions and off-boost power (thanks to increased compression), both big benefits with turbo motors. -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Much better control of amount of fuel, along with cooling ability let's car run leaner. Helps with emissions and off-boost power (thanks to increased compression), both big benefits with turbo motors. Subaru should get on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 You are forgetting Subaru isn't trying to compete with the Camry and the Accord. They tried to do that back in the late 80's/early 90's and failed miserably. That's when they dumped the FWD cars and went after the AWD market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 Then as I mentioned above, step up performance. In this world of stability control and more AWD crossovers coming to market, Subaru's advantage won't last in the that area. Going to be a tough five years for Subaru in the US market if the 2008 models don't do well. -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Don't look at the Hyundai Azera then. It's bigger than the Camry and just as fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 If you want the LGT to go faster, just stop driving 2 of the wheels. but then it wouldn't be a Subaru. i say up the engine to 3.5l turbo and be done with it. bosco Stay Stock Stay Happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmf421 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 The LGT is fast to me, arent they running like a 14.1 quarter mile? PLus you can get a jump off the line in a camry like you can in a LGT. All these companies keep addding HP to the front wheels... Honda, Acura, Toyota, Nissan.... and there is sooooo much torque steer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaWolverine Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 As much as I like to stick up for Subaru, they do need to up the power on the Legacy. At least 260 stock for the turbo IMO. I don't know what's so tough about making little evolutionary changes like that every yr. It can't be that tough. Direct injection is different though. I'm talking about other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 It's the large exhaust manifold. It keeps the turbo lag from being acceptable. Also the head design sucks. If they redesigned the exhaust ports and tucked two small turbos under the car, it would be fast.. very fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 It's the large exhaust manifold. It keeps the turbo lag from being acceptable. Also the head design sucks. If they redesigned the exhaust ports and tucked two small turbos under the car, it would be fast.. very fast. just make the engine bigger. bosco Stay Stock Stay Happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 just make the engine bigger. bosco Yeah let's have a 7 liter engine making 150hp, go american muscle.. This is 2007, we can make it better, stronger, faster, we have the technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yeah let's have a 7 liter engine making 150hp, go american muscle.. This is 2007, we can make it better, stronger, faster, we have the technology. How about a 7 liter engine making 505hp, getting 28mpg hwy, fitting into a fairly compact space, and not weighing all that much? I think it's called an LS7. Yep that American muscle sure does suck some ass, well that and the LGT's doors off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yeah let's have a 7 liter engine making 150hp, go american muscle.. This is 2007, we can make it better, stronger, faster, we have the technology. what is wrong with you have a bad experience with a V-8? bosco Stay Stock Stay Happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 what is wrong with you have a bad experience with a V-8? bosco Probably feels the same way about pushrods as I used to. Until I stopped and though about what the goal of an engine is in the context of a vehicle. The engine's job is to propell the vehicle, and so long as the engine is efficient at making useful flexible power, fits in the available design space, doesn't weigh so much that it upsets vehicle dynamics, and is reliable; then I don't care howit is designed. If some engine builder can figure out a way to make a 16L engine that fits into a normal sized engine bay, gets 26+mpg, and makes 1200hp I don't think anyone will care if it uses push rods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 How about a 7 liter engine making 505hp, getting 28mpg hwy, fitting into a fairly compact space, and not weighing all that much? I think it's called an LS7. Yep that American muscle sure does suck some ass, well that and the LGT's doors off. Yeah let's add 200+lbs of heavy metal to the front of the LGT with twice the center of gravity and twice as deep. Why not just hang a boat anchor off the front bumper? Talk about a pig... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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