jackacc Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Just curious if anyone has put the cobb lowering springs on a wagon yet. I saw someone had them on a sedan and they looked great. It actually looked like the rear was a little higher than the front so I thought that might work out perfectly for a wagon since most of the spring options available now dump the rear end too much. Plus they claim to be matched to stock shocks like the Ions. Thoughts? JDM GT Bilsteins (F-Tanabe R-Pinks) JDM RSB - Modded Kartboy SS - Subaru Momo Knob Subastyle Grille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackacc Posted October 27, 2006 Author Share Posted October 27, 2006 Noone has these yet? The price is right for them on ebay... $250-300 I think. I am tempted to check them out. JDM GT Bilsteins (F-Tanabe R-Pinks) JDM RSB - Modded Kartboy SS - Subaru Momo Knob Subastyle Grille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Please get better dampers. If you don't now, you'll have to do that very quickly after the springs. And there are no good dampers which work with Cobb springs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackacc Posted October 27, 2006 Author Share Posted October 27, 2006 Yeah, I keep thinking I'd be ok with just springs but maybe I should just wait around like the rest of the people who can't afford bilsteins until Koni comes out with something ...or anyone for that matter. Had the Neuspeed Koni adjustables with Neuspeed sport springs on my TSX and they were e x c e l l e n t. (cheap too) JDM GT Bilsteins (F-Tanabe R-Pinks) JDM RSB - Modded Kartboy SS - Subaru Momo Knob Subastyle Grille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 I have a set of ions for sale and you are somewhat local. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTGT Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 HOw much are dampers, and what brands do you recommend? Know of any good spring/damper setups? I like the cobb springs but i guess with no dampers available they aren't as attractive anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 lots of Bilsteins for sale....always a good choice. also - tokico's are nice, but both you'll need to use JDM springs due to the tophats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderguy Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 The Cobb springs are supposed to mate perfectly (according to Cobb) with stock struts - is there some reason why that won't work? Has anyone tried them yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowlane Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 lots of Bilsteins for sale....always a good choice. also - tokico's are nice, but both you'll need to use JDM springs due to the tophats. so what works well with the ion springs?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 you can get Bilstein specific ions. I'm running Spec B Bilsteins with ion HD in the rear and normal ones in the front and it's barely lower than stock. great setup (and currently for sale in the classifieds, as I'm selling the car). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 so what works well with the ion springs?? iON springs are in the same ball-park as many aftermarket springs, they are lower and a bit stiffer (like app 30%). The one plus that the iON's have is the fronts are progressive. The vast majority of aftermarket springs would benefit a large amount from better dampers (Bilsteins, Tokicos, Ohlins, etc...). Almost all aftermarket dampers (all that I know) are a bit stiffer then OEM (like app 30%) and some are adjustable. Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderguy Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 The Ions have worked best with the tokicos for me. Have tried 2 other spring setups & like the ions best so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowlane Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 iON springs are in the same ball-park as many aftermarket springs, they are lower and a bit stiffer (like app 30%). The one plus that the iON's have is the fronts are progressive. The vast majority of aftermarket springs would benefit a large amount from better dampers (Bilsteins, Tokicos, Ohlins, etc...). Almost all aftermarket dampers (all that I know) are a bit stiffer then OEM (like app 30%) and some are adjustable. so with the ion springs and dampers like the ones u stated do u need anything else to make it all come together.... jdm or other parts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderguy Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 If you do the Tokico struts you'll need the front JDM tophats. I believe Tokico is issueing them with the struts, not sure tho. No experience with the bilsteins. Also with the standard Ions you'll probably want a second set of rear spring seats to raise the rear a hair, most ppl w/wagons have wanted the rear a little higher (unless Ion has redisigned them?). Not sure about sedans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 even with the ion HD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 even with the ion HD? No never will you need to raise the rear with the HD, remember mine was too high for me and I cut them a little. Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 I could have used mine higher with the HD. Even after taking out my stereo. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 I could have used mine higher with the HD. Even after taking out my stereo. Go figure. That is because you had regular springs with Bilstein top-hats. Drop the front 1/2-5/8 inch (with Bilstein specific springs) and that would no longer be a problem with 200 lbs of stereo, 5 passengers and a full-tank of gas. Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderguy Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 I have the HD, didn't use the extra rear spring seat initially but after a few months it dropped a bit & I put them on. Better now, I really like the height. So yes, even with the HD on the wagon, but it may take a while to settle. Remember I'm in an OB which has some subtle differences too. Or it could just be a wagon thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 That is because you had regular springs with Bilstein top-hats. Drop the front 1/2-5/8 inch (with Bilstein specific springs) and that would no longer be a problem with 200 lbs of stereo, 5 passengers and a full-tank of gas. perhaps you missed the comment about taking the stereo out. as it sat with nothing in the back, the rear was too low on my car even with the HD's. My goal was a level stance and the HD's plus std. fronts on JDM tophats is not a good solution - don't let Jack at Ion tell you otherwise...nobody should ever use that combo IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 perhaps you missed the comment about taking the stereo out. as it sat with nothing in the back, the rear was too low on my car even with the HD's. My goal was a level stance and the HD's plus std. fronts on JDM tophats is not a good solution - don't let Jack at Ion tell you otherwise...nobody should ever use that combo IMHO. I got your comment. If you had Bilstein specific iONs would the back end up looking too low? I am not fooled by "insert whomever you want" I own all of the above springs. FWIW non-cut HD iONS and a raised front (because of regular iONs on Bilsteins) still has a higher rear on my car (80lbs of stereo, non-lmt sedan). I guess the wagon is a fair bit different then the sedan. Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 If you had Bilstein specific iONs would the back end up looking too low? yes. with stock suspension back on yesterday morning, we loaded up 10 bags of wet mulch and another five of dirt and it still sat higher than the HD's empty. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 yes. with stock suspension back on yesterday morning, we loaded up 10 bags of wet mulch and another five of dirt and it still sat higher than the HD's empty. Go figure. Really! With Bilsteins and HD iONs (the set-up you just had) the front was more then 1/2 inch higher then the front?????? Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 the front was more then 1/2 inch higher then the front?????? que que? the front was raised a 1/2" over the kyb/pink setup, while the back only came up 7/8". The rear was at least 1.5 - 2.0" lowr with the kyb setup, so I fully expected the rear to come up more than 7/8". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkergc8 Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 wow, nice thread jacking. Cobb developed the springs on stock GT struts, FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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