sti_lust Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 I just watched the C&D episode comparing the LGT to the TSX, etc. and it ocurred to me that the folks @ Car & Driver may actually be doing us a favor by letting Subaru know that they need to pump a bit more juice into the Legacy. I wonder how calculated their editorial approach is in terms of giving SOA a nudge towards the release of a Legacy Sti. Only time will tell. It's funny that their review of the car turned up the best 1/4 mile and 0-60 times of the group, but their commentary included mention of the "clunky" doors. Whatever floats the editors boat, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerdave Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 Or at least just pony up the JDM GT springs and dampers. I agree... it might not be all bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 It's interesting because in my opinion the clunk is more noticeable with the windows rolled completely down, like they showed when they closed the doors on TV. Oh well.. Maybe Subaru will want to get some better tires on the car from the factory, since I think that hurt it the most, and it's so easy to change. -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sti_lust Posted September 20, 2004 Author Share Posted September 20, 2004 Regarding the windows, I noticed in both of my test drives that the car is quite quiet with the windows up. When I first started shopping Subarus coming from an Acura TL, I was concerned about the frameless window, but I was really impressed with how well it sounded while driving. No complaints here. Regarding the suspension, I'm definitely changing tires on my car when I pick it up next week. Those RE92s, from everything I've read online, sound terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerdave Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Yeah... there are plenty of threads here that say just how bad the RE-92s are in terms of poor steering response and tread squrim, so I won't repeat it here. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchnellerGT Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Just add some HIDs and a sunroof option to the non-Limited GT, and I'm sold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy05 Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 I happened to record the show on my mythtv box, I can cut-out the comercials and transcode only the comparison portion to VCD .. if anyone would be interested in seeing it .. let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kage Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 I really think that Subaru should have put the JDM GT suspension into the 2.5GT and thus created more differentiation from the 2.5i as well as the Outback XT. The amount of body roll, although far from severe, is basically inexcusable considering the tuning state of the JDM/EDM models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerdave Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Yep... we're on the same page, Kage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaqtly Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 [quote name='sti_lust']I just watched the C&D episode comparing the LGT to the TSX, etc. and it ocurred to me that the folks @ Car & Driver may actually be doing us a favor by letting Subaru know that they need to pump a bit more juice into the Legacy[/quote] C&D did say it was over a full second faster 0-60 than every other car in the test, how much more juice do you think it needs? No, the problem is that the message C&D was sending to Subaru is essentially this: 1) We don't care that the LGT handles neutrally, all we care about is that the springs feel soft despite the fact that we like the way it rides. 2) The interior is too dark, we don't like dark interiors, depite the fact that the TSX's interior is just as dark. In fact we just like complaining a lot then contradicting ourselves. We didn't even mention the fact that you can get a tan interior in the LGT, that's how much we don't like Subarus. 3) We don't like the way every Subaru's door sounds the same when you close it - rattly. Despite all the factual evidence to the contrary, and despite the fact that we didn't actually ask around to see if non-press beater LGTs had any kind of rattling problem. 4) We don't like power, I mean 100 lb-ft more torque than the TSX? That's just overkill and we hate it. Make the car slower and we'll rate it higher. Any questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtguy Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 [quote name='Xaqtly'][quote name='sti_lust']I just watched the C&D episode comparing the LGT to the TSX, etc. and it ocurred to me that the folks @ Car & Driver may actually be doing us a favor by letting Subaru know that they need to pump a bit more juice into the Legacy[/quote] C&D did say it was over a full second faster 0-60 than every other car in the test, how much more juice do you think it needs? No, the problem is that the message C&D was sending to Subaru is essentially this: 1) We don't care that the LGT handles neutrally, all we care about is that the springs feel soft despite the fact that we like the way it rides. 2) The interior is too dark, we don't like dark interiors, depite the fact that the TSX's interior is just as dark. In fact we just like complaining a lot then contradicting ourselves. We didn't even mention the fact that you can get a tan interior in the LGT, that's how much we don't like Subarus. 3) We don't like the way every Subaru's door sounds the same when you close it - rattly. Despite all the factual evidence to the contrary, and despite the fact that we didn't actually ask around to see if non-press beater LGTs had any kind of rattling problem. 4) We don't like power, I mean 100 lb-ft more torque than the TSX? That's just overkill and we hate it. Make the car slower and we'll rate it higher. Any questions?[/quote] None, sir. Preach on... :lol: Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 [quote name='Xaqtly'] 3) We don't like the way every Subaru's door sounds the same when you close it - rattly. Despite all the factual evidence to the contrary, and despite the fact that we didn't actually ask around to see if non-press beater LGTs had any kind of rattling problem. [/quote] Roll your front windows all the way down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sti_lust Posted September 21, 2004 Author Share Posted September 21, 2004 Forgive my coloquial vernacular. When I said, "juice" I was referring to the overall package, including suspension. As far as the engine goes, I'm perfectly happy to have a car that does 0-60 in 5.8 and can still plow through the snow (with something better than RE92s). No complaints here. But, since the media is able to flex muscles and affect opinions and trends, I believe the article may have shed some light on what the car is missing in terms of suspension and overall handling. This can only be good for us as SOA takes note and makes improvements over time. Time will tell. In the meantime, I'll enjoy ripping around town from 0-60 in 5.8. Yummy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeLoo Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 [quote name='Xaqtly']We don't like the way every Subaru's door sounds the same when you close it - rattly. Despite all the factual evidence to the contrary, and despite the fact that we didn't actually ask around to see if non-press beater LGTs had any kind of rattling problem.[/quote] Actually, I have to agree with the C&D journalist on that one. I have noticed this very early on with my LGT (driver and front passenger doors). I believe it's worse when the window is down. 2005 Legacy GT Wagon Ltd 5EAT Garnet Red 1999 GTI VR6 Black - sold but not forgotten... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerdave Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Yeah, the video on the C&D TV show showed them closing the door firmly with the window down... and it was noisy. But as long as the window doesn't break, it's not going to bother me much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godwhomismike Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 I disagree with just about the entire article C&D wrote. My only complaint about the car is the tires. I find them noisy and yet their grip isn't good. I had the rear snap loose briefly this past weekend. I traveled the same road and the same speeds in my Kia and never had the car feel like it was gonna break loose, but the Legacy's rear poped out a little. Talk about having your heart stop. - Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 [quote name='godwhomismike']I disagree with just about the entire article C&D wrote. My only complaint about the car is the tires. I find them noisy and yet their grip isn't good. I had the rear snap loose briefly this past weekend. I traveled the same road and the same speeds in my Kia and never had the car feel like it was gonna break loose, but the Legacy's rear poped out a little. Talk about having your heart stop. - Mike[/quote] Aw come on I love the slight rear-bias of this car. :D -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 [quote name='godwhomismike'] I had the rear snap loose briefly this past weekend. I traveled the same road and the same speeds in my Kia and never had the car feel like it was gonna break loose, but the Legacy's rear poped out a little. Talk about having your heart stop. - Mike[/quote] That's a complaint right? :D You don't like the rear end coming out? I can spin the rears and fishtail launching into a turn from about 2.5-3k (mild).. heh.. It's surprising when you don't expect it I guess. It's also throttle induced, not like the car is unstable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Monkey Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 I throttle steer my rear end daily. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaqtly Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 [quote name='Deer Killer'][quote name='Xaqtly'] 3) We don't like the way every Subaru's door sounds the same when you close it - rattly. Despite all the factual evidence to the contrary, and despite the fact that we didn't actually ask around to see if non-press beater LGTs had any kind of rattling problem. [/quote] Roll your front windows all the way down.[/quote] I did that very thing, and guess what? With the window rolled all the way down the door closes with a nice satisfying "thunk" - no rattles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 [quote name='Xaqtly'][quote name='Deer Killer'][quote name='Xaqtly'] 3) We don't like the way every Subaru's door sounds the same when you close it - rattly. Despite all the factual evidence to the contrary, and despite the fact that we didn't actually ask around to see if non-press beater LGTs had any kind of rattling problem. [/quote] Roll your front windows all the way down.[/quote] I did that very thing, and guess what? With the window rolled all the way down the door closes with a nice satisfying "thunk" - no rattles.[/quote] Maybe you got the extra special limited version... or maybe you mean "thunkunkunkunk"... or maybe, you're just in denial.... I'd describe it best as "thuddddd" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kage Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 [quote name='godwhomismike']I disagree with just about the entire article C&D wrote. My only complaint about the car is the tires. I find them noisy and yet their grip isn't good. I had the rear snap loose briefly this past weekend. I traveled the same road and the same speeds in my Kia and never had the car feel like it was gonna break loose, but the Legacy's rear poped out a little. Talk about having your heart stop. - Mike[/quote] Yes, your Kia will never have its rear end break loose because it will resolutely plow through corners. This is a good thing for most people. But not for those who like a little more excitement in their driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Angus Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 [quote name='Drift Monkey']I throttle steer my rear end daily. :D[/quote] that happens to me in the morning after i have starbucks...i throttle steer my rear end towards the head 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaqtly Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='Deer Killer']Maybe you got the extra special limited version... or maybe you mean "thunkunkunkunk"... or maybe, you're just in denial.... I'd describe it best as "thuddddd"[/quote] No, I know what a rattly door sounds like. I had a WRX. My Legacy doesn't do that, the door closes nice and solidly even with the window down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer Killer Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 3) We don't like the way every Subaru's door sounds the same when you close it - rattly. Despite all the factual evidence to the contrary, and despite the fact that we didn't actually ask around to see if non-press beater LGTs had any kind of rattling problem. Roll your front windows all the way down. I did that very thing, and guess what? With the window rolled all the way down the door closes with a nice satisfying "thunk" - no rattles. Oh, I'll show you "FACT"uprfdownrff2.raruprfdownrff2.rar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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