G.T.Subie Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 So should I be concerned about H techs with the Cusco bar? Or is there a way to solve this? Denial is your best friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team23jordan Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 mt front cusco swb clunks when i turn right... Perrin BIG maf intake Perrin Turbo Inlet HKS SSQV BOV Megan Racing header with UP (ceramic coated) HKS DP (WRX) DMH E-cutout Custom 3" catback UTEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KartRacerBoy Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Not a problem with Cusco. It is a problem with the ride height. I have a whiteline bar with H-techs. I don't think it is causing damage; other than stress on the swaybar brackets. That is why I was thinking of a relocation bracket for the fronts; maybe only a 1" lower would help??? like I said the few attempts on fixing have been: different types of grease, changed endlinks, sway bar stops, etc. If aftermarket (and perhaps OEM) swaybars all have this problem with lowering springs, that's ridiculous. I'd bet at least 50% of all aftermarket swaybar buyers also lower their cars. You would think the swaybar makers would be smart enough to design their bars with enough versatility to deal with a 1 1/2- 2 inch variation in ride height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STiNGER Posted April 19, 2006 Author Share Posted April 19, 2006 I agree completely kartracer, it's ridiculous, I'm working on trying to find a solution. I have an engineer looking at stuff tonight on his lift. We're betting we are going to find nothing, and the clunking is some design flaw in lowering w/ after market bars. I'm hoping we can first establish whether everything is safe, and secondly try to come up with a make shift fix. 2006 LGT LTD 5MT Brilliant Silver Cobb AP w/ TDC S2 protune Crucial DP K&N Filter Cusco F&R Sways Tein H-Techs Cobb F&R Endlinks Kartboy SS Xtec HID 5000K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firedawgs Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 If aftermarket (and perhaps OEM) swaybars all have this problem with lowering springs, that's ridiculous. I'd bet at least 50% of all aftermarket swaybar buyers also lower their cars. You would think the swaybar makers would be smart enough to design their bars with enough versatility to deal with a 1 1/2- 2 inch variation in ride height. You would think. I am just venturing some new ideas of why our bars make noise???? Updated my vBGarage: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 lol I was driving on the rougher roads tonight and the sways were clunking over the big bumps. I'll take a closer look this weekend when I prep the car for autox. -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STiNGER Posted April 21, 2006 Author Share Posted April 21, 2006 Ok my buddy finished my car this morning, and we just traded cars back. So far everything is safe, a couple things were retorqued but otherwise everything tight. No clunking as of yet. He found one end link bolt that was potentially not tight and could be causing what I was describing. He also found that the hole at the end of the cusco bars exceeds the diameter of the bolt provided with my Cobb end links, so if that was loose (and it was slightly) that the play in that could cause a clunking sound. I'm starting to lean towards the theory that if everything is properly fitted and tight, and everything that should be lubed IS lubed, we should not experience clunking. I'm gonna test the car HARD tomorrow, so we will see. Another thing to note, for everyone, is that stainless steel nuts fuse or seize to stainless steel bolts under stress, torque, and/or heat. The reason I mention this is because there is the possibility, because of the angles in play when installing a sway bar, that you may tighten a nut and bolt on an endlink and still have it loose. If you torque it correctly, but the assembly of the endlink bolt isn't perfectly straight (cobb for example) once the assembly straigtens during driving, there may be excessive play. You may think, oh well, I'll just tighten it, however you can not. This is because under the original torque the stainless has fused to the stainless bolt giving you the impression things are tight but they are not.....wheewww i hope that made sense. 2006 LGT LTD 5MT Brilliant Silver Cobb AP w/ TDC S2 protune Crucial DP K&N Filter Cusco F&R Sways Tein H-Techs Cobb F&R Endlinks Kartboy SS Xtec HID 5000K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlsb Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 As promised there is a possible solution to your problem. The sway bars on the Subie can move laterally under certain circumstances.Whiteline has kits to prevent the lateral movement of the sway bar, part # W0450-size (with "size" relating to the diameter of the sway bar). The part is pretty cheep, might be worth a try. "Belief does not make truth. Evidence makes truth. And belief does not make evidence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluechipbmw Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 As promised there is a possible solution to your problem. The sway bars on the Subie can move laterally under certain circumstances.Whiteline has kits to prevent the lateral movement of the sway bar, part # W0450-size (with "size" relating to the diameter of the sway bar). The part is pretty cheep, might be worth a try. i wonder if this would fit with non whiteline swaybars or is it specifically for their make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STiNGER Posted April 21, 2006 Author Share Posted April 21, 2006 Yeah Robin, got the scoop on if it'll work with other bars? 2006 LGT LTD 5MT Brilliant Silver Cobb AP w/ TDC S2 protune Crucial DP K&N Filter Cusco F&R Sways Tein H-Techs Cobb F&R Endlinks Kartboy SS Xtec HID 5000K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firedawgs Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 I have that part, but have not installed it yet. I believe it will fit other bars that are the same size. It is a a piece of bushing with a clamp around it; a set of four. Updated my vBGarage: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspect1 Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 Maybe I should drive your car again to see if get the same clunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STiNGER Posted April 21, 2006 Author Share Posted April 21, 2006 Maybe you should hop up your jetta! 2006 LGT LTD 5MT Brilliant Silver Cobb AP w/ TDC S2 protune Crucial DP K&N Filter Cusco F&R Sways Tein H-Techs Cobb F&R Endlinks Kartboy SS Xtec HID 5000K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspect1 Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 Maybe I should.... but I'd rather hook up the X.......... I'll worry about a sporty car when the Jetta is gone.......... the new G35 sedan looks good to me.(300hp N/A awd) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlsb Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 I have that part, but have not installed it yet. I believe it will fit other bars that are the same size. It is a a piece of bushing with a clamp around it; a set of four. As far as I can tell it will fit any bar as long as the diameter is correct. "Belief does not make truth. Evidence makes truth. And belief does not make evidence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STiNGER Posted April 22, 2006 Author Share Posted April 22, 2006 I saw the kit, and read how it's installed. The questions are: should these sway bars move laterally? Is this causing the noise we are all hearing, or allowing the noise to happen by shifting? What's the downside of securing these bars from lateral movement? I'm refering to aftermarket sways in general, not whitelines. I don't have experience with theirs. 2006 LGT LTD 5MT Brilliant Silver Cobb AP w/ TDC S2 protune Crucial DP K&N Filter Cusco F&R Sways Tein H-Techs Cobb F&R Endlinks Kartboy SS Xtec HID 5000K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTDom Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 I just bought the same setup: H-tech + Cusco F & R Sway, waiting for shipping now. I'll have stock endlinks thou. I am a little worry after reading this thread as I am a weird noise/rattle freak. I'll make sure everything is tight when I put them on. Any one else tried the whiteline kit with Cusco sways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STiNGER Posted April 22, 2006 Author Share Posted April 22, 2006 I haven't tried the whiteline kit, nor will I ever, as it's something I can make at home depot for 5 bucks, which I am going to try in the next few weeks. GTDom, don't worry about this setup, I don't believe there is anything unsafe about it, and people have been complaining of clunks with every setup. They don't happen all the time, and frankly don't bother me to much. Im curious to see if the stock endlinks have any effect. Please report back! What I don't understand is that everyone usually lubes up the swaybars on the D bushing mounts FOR lateral movement, and the whiteline kit essentially prevents this movement from happening. I'm wondering what the ramifications are. I'm going to have to get the car on a lift, and imagine what's going on. Unfortunately this week/weekend is truck time, so the Frontier is getting some work done. 2006 LGT LTD 5MT Brilliant Silver Cobb AP w/ TDC S2 protune Crucial DP K&N Filter Cusco F&R Sways Tein H-Techs Cobb F&R Endlinks Kartboy SS Xtec HID 5000K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 I'm going to grease up the bushings for the sway bars this afternoon. I didn't before because someone told me that they did not have any noise with their cusco bars on their wagon. I'm using the stock end links, so I think it's just the fact that the bar might be separating the bushings a little bit and hitting the clamp that is causing the "clunk" sound over large bumps. I'll find out for sure if that's the case today. -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 What I don't understand is that everyone usually lubes up the swaybars on the D bushing mounts FOR lateral movement, and the whiteline kit essentially prevents this movement from happening. The lubing of the bushings is so the bar can rotate properly - NOT for lateral movement. The bar rotates - that's how it functions; how it transfers the load from one side of the car to the other. The bar does not need to move laterally to function. (But I agree with the Home Depot > Whiteline thought!) I installed my Swift sways + Avo endlinks last weekend and had some clunking from the front. Discovered yesterday that I neglected to properly tighten one of the front endlink bolts. Clunking is gone for now, but we'll see... Seek first to understand, then to be understood. In other words: SEARCH before you post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firedawgs Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 I just bought the same setup: H-tech + Cusco F & R Sway, waiting for shipping now. I'll have stock endlinks thou. I am a little worry after reading this thread as I am a weird noise/rattle freak. I'll make sure everything is tight when I put them on. Any one else tried the whiteline kit with Cusco sways? My two cents: The stock endlinks are weak at best. They will stress with a lowered suspension. You don't "have" to switch out to the endlinks, but recomended. Of course, you want to check if everything is secure and tight, but I think the popping is do more because of the lowered body. I could be wrong, but a lowered suspension is slightly lowering the swaybars; which is moving slightly off of what is it supposed too?? Updated my vBGarage: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnin4 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 so what's the consensus here...aftermarket sway bars are a great improvement for handling, but some clunck when coupled with lowering springs? I have perrin fr & rr sways/endlinks on my STi and love them, but after 1 yr I'm starting to hear a clunk, possibly a strut. I'd like to go ahead and get a set of fr & rr swaybars/endlinks for my lgt, should I go with perrin, cobb, or whiteline? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STiNGER Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 I'm not sure who to go with, I like cusco for instance, but the clunking I believe is a problem across the board. This thread is slightly on hold right now, as I have some things to do before I attempt the whiteline kit fix. Probably next week sometime I should have results. 2006 LGT LTD 5MT Brilliant Silver Cobb AP w/ TDC S2 protune Crucial DP K&N Filter Cusco F&R Sways Tein H-Techs Cobb F&R Endlinks Kartboy SS Xtec HID 5000K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1freak Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I have s-techs and cusco f/r sways on the stock endlinks and get the clunking. I ordered the ones from cusco just havent installed them yet. check us out here http://newenglandsubarus.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STiNGER Posted April 25, 2006 Author Share Posted April 25, 2006 I'm still working on a solution! I'm confident there will be one. I will not rest until I do. 2006 LGT LTD 5MT Brilliant Silver Cobb AP w/ TDC S2 protune Crucial DP K&N Filter Cusco F&R Sways Tein H-Techs Cobb F&R Endlinks Kartboy SS Xtec HID 5000K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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