Tide Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 [url]http://content.subaru.com/mailings/02_04_Outback/index.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tide Posted February 5, 2004 Author Share Posted February 5, 2004 [img]http://www.need-desire.com/WallpaperOutback/800x600/Outback12.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tide Posted February 5, 2004 Author Share Posted February 5, 2004 [img]http://www.need-desire.com/WallpaperOutback/800x600/Outback13.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zevil Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 i hate to say it but I am a fan of the new outback.. I like the minimal badging on the back too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBY Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 I also like it, makes regular SUV's seem pointless *edit* for buyers that don't need a hardcore off-road vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPower Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 I haven't gotten my e-mail yet. Interesting how they keep showing pictures of the non-USDM models. If the USDM were the better looking model, you KNOW that SoA would have professional pictures on the site. Seems like a bit of bait and switch in a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPower Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 3.0R sedan, VDC & LL Bean get a wood/leather steering wheel. That's a US only feature. Notice that 3.0R sedan. So is that going to be an Outback or a Legacy? Could this be a Legacy that is getting announced with the Outbacks? I hope so, because a sedan Outback TRUCK seems silly. edit #2: It does say Outback 3.0R sedan and wagons. So I guess it will be the only sedan shaped truck on the market, and that will be the only Outback sedan engine offering. :roll: edit: Just noticed that the 2.5XT gets performance design front seats different from the other models. hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 That's funny, I checked the site earlier this morning, and the countdown still had 23 hours left... I guess they got tired of waiting. The numbers on the H6 are dissapointing; 219 ft lbs at 4200 RPM?! What the hell is the AVCS valvetrain good for then?[list][/list] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPower Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 *preliminary horsepower and torque figures? What is the ft-lbs of the Euro 3.0R? Maybe the AVCS was to bump up the fuel economy instead of torque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 [quote name='PPower'] Maybe the AVCS was to bump up the fuel economy instead of torque.[/quote] They go hand in hand, you want to make power at lower revs since that means less fuel consumption. I was just surprised that the peak doesn't hit until so high in the revs. And that it's less than the 2.5, I mean equal HP but less torque?? Come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtguy Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Damn, that car looks good. I am REALLY impressed. It looks light years better than the current Outback. Wow! Wait...are those Euro-spec piccies, or USDM-spec? I'm confused, but it sure looks good. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zevil Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 I am not sure which incarnation that is. My gut says it's not the USDM.. but I could be wrong. Need-Desire.com is posting pics on EDM and JDM legacies so I don't doubt that the case is the same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPower Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 nonUS pics. Even if you don't acknowledge the bumper size difference in the front, note the US LEGACY rails instead of the US Outback rails that are more of a traditional bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zevil Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Agreed, not to mention the pics on the Need-Desire website of the outback have the driver sitting on the wrong side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ20H-TT Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 I think u mean the "Right" side ;) I think the OB looks like it will tempt a few SUV buyers out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Interesting specs on the engines: 2.5L Turbo: 250hp@6000rpm, 250lb/ft torque @3600rpm 3.0L H6: 250hp@6600rpm, 219lb/ft torque @ 4200 Max hp comes in at 600rpm higher as well as torque. I can't imagine the torque levels would be any more flat on an H6 than a turbo model. Will be interesting to see a comparison of both with the 5EAT. I'd guess the turbo to be quicker to 60 by nearly a second, but the passing numbers will be the real question. Also, mileage will be interesting to see. I find it interesting to see ONE Outback Sedan model. :roll: They could have just stuck the R&D into a Legacy 3.0R, both Wagon and Sedan which would likely sell more. Guess a sedan in an Outback trim is really a conflict of form and function. Doesn't portray a solid utility image if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomerJay Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 I wish the H6 was available on the GT w/ a MT. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 I think the reason they didn't is because such a small portion (maybe 10% give/take) of buyers get sticks, and most of these are people who would get a stick are going strictly for the performance/fun factor, and most will get a turbo. IIRC that's what I've been told by a couple of people affiliated with SOA. I think it's a smart business decision, unfortunately. I think an H6 with a 5 or 6MT would be a really nice car, but it's just not a sound business decision for the small volume unless the bell housing around the flywheel clutch area was identical to one of the MT designs already for an easy mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBY Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 [quote name='SUBE555']Interesting specs on the engines: 2.5L Turbo: 250hp@6000rpm, 250lb/ft torque @3600rpm 3.0L H6: 250hp@6600rpm, 219lb/ft torque @ 4200 [/quote] Under 3000rpm where the auto tranny likes to live in everyday driving will be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Under 3000, what's that. :D Guess I don't drive auto's enough. I cruise in the 2250-2750 range generally, nothing below 2000 where most people appear concerned about. If you're accelerating and have an auto, why be afraid to put your foot INTO the accelerator. The people who generally are concerned about that area for acceleration generally make the car shift by 4000, which means they aren't getting the power out of the motor, either one. Just an observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team23jordan Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 they look like they have good ground clearence :roll: Perrin BIG maf intake Perrin Turbo Inlet HKS SSQV BOV Megan Racing header with UP (ceramic coated) HKS DP (WRX) DMH E-cutout Custom 3" catback UTEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPower Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 [quote name='SUBE555']Interesting specs on the engines: 2.5L Turbo: 250hp@6000rpm, 250lb/ft torque @3600rpm 3.0L H6: 250hp@6600rpm, 219lb/ft torque @ 4200 Max hp comes in at 600rpm higher as well as torque. I can't imagine the torque levels would be any more flat on an H6 than a turbo model. Will be interesting to see a comparison of both with the 5EAT. I'd guess the turbo to be quicker to 60 by nearly a second, but the passing numbers will be the real question. Also, mileage will be interesting to see. [/quote] Why is that? I don't really consider the USDM STi or JDM Legacy to really have a flat curve. NA engines typically have flatter torque curves than turbos, so I really don't understand where so many people are getting this thought. I must be missing out on something because that idea seems so prevelant. Just because the H6 peaks at 219ft-lbs at 4200, it could possibly have 200ft-lbs at 2000rpm. So it may actually be slower to 60mph and faster for all out racing, but I bet the H6 will feel like it isn't having to work as hard to get nearly the same result especially in real world situations where it isn't running at full boost. I would think that the turbo boost feeling would be very convincing on a test drive as it kicks in whereas the H6 wouldn't feel it as much. As for the actual curves, we won't be able to really know until both engines are on a dyno, and I doubt many Outback 3.0R owners will be interested in doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titsataki Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 I like the shape and it looks like it is quite tall. Cheers Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Ever driven a Forester XT? Tell me an H6 will kick it's butt. I can imagine a rather similar tune, with maybe a little more peak. Even the Forester XT w/ AT was fast, and I'm not a fan of AT's but I had to try one to see how it compared to the 5MT. In some ways the FXT seems a little slower because it comes on rather early, but it seems to constantly be there, so I'd have to say once you're on the go, you're on the go. The H6 may be good, but I really like the 2.5T's and think they may perform as well or better. :) That's all pre-emptive, so I'll wait for the dyno specs and road tests for final judgement. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurpman Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what are the main differences between the outback XT and the legacy GT? Is it basically just styling and suspension (outback higher and softer)? They seem pretty similar to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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