SeanP Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Hi, new user here. I am going to be a proud owner of a Legacy GT or Outback XT wagon before the end of the year. I have a pretty big dilemma though. I really want a wagon and a manual tranny and a turbo. Subaru in their grand decision making decided that there was no need to make the LGT wagon in a manual tranny for 06. So my choice is to try to find a used 05 wagon or get the 06 outback XT with the manual. I really miss changing my own gears. The car I owned prior to the birth of my 3 year old was an E36 Dinan S/C M3 with about everything Dinan made for the M3. Put down just over 300HP to the rear wheels. I then went in the polar opposite direction and bought a MB E300D that probably doesn't even break 100HP at the rear wheels. I terribly miss having a car that is fun to drive, affordable and practical enough for a young family. The Legacy GT Wagon meets all of my needs. I have been keeping my eye on the used market, but I am a bit leary of why someone would sell a year old car with ~10K miles. Is it a lemon? Also, there aren't many around me in Nor Cal, I am looking at two: one in Seattle and one in SLC, UT. These would involve a premium for shipping or flying out and driving them back. My question: Will I be happy with the performance of the Outback XT 5SM? It seems all the drivetrain mods cross over, but the higher G/C and softer suspension certainly won't be instilling confidence in the corners. I am betting that I can walk into the dealer on about 12/28 and pick up a car for around $1500 off the invoice (with the Subaru dollars). any advice appreciated. SeanP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Look around and see if there are any 5mt leftovers from 05-I knwo one dealer in ny that had 4 about a month ago. If you go XT, drive it first and see what you think of the suspension-it's a bit different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike M Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 Sean, I just bought an 06 Atlantic Blue Sedan at Dan Perkins subaru in Milford, Connecticut three weeks ago. I test drove an 05 Atlantic Blue Wagon 5Mt at that time. Last week I was at the dealership and on my way out drove past that same Wagon still sitting on the lot. If you want to call, their number is (203) 882-5686 or (800) 654-5354. My saleman's name is Matt Ballaro. I would recommend him. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallispec Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 get the outback XT, spend a few dollars on a suspension upgrade, and then you'll have a GT with mean ass looking fender flares and giant fog lamps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilT Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 Import one from Canada Double Award Winning Legacy GT Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanP Posted December 12, 2005 Author Share Posted December 12, 2005 get the outback XT, spend a few dollars on a suspension upgrade, and then you'll have a GT with mean ass looking fender flares and giant fog lamps. a few dollars seems to equal about $2500 if looking into coilovers, links and sway bars according to my research. That's a bit steep for our budget. Do they really sell 5SM in 06 LGT Wagons in Canuckada? That's a raw deal, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanP Posted December 12, 2005 Author Share Posted December 12, 2005 Sean, I just bought an 06 Atlantic Blue Sedan at Dan Perkins subaru in Milford, Connecticut three weeks ago. I test drove an 05 Atlantic Blue Wagon 5Mt at that time. Last week I was at the dealership and on my way out drove past that same Wagon still sitting on the lot. If you want to call, their number is (203) 882-5686 or (800) 654-5354. My saleman's name is Matt Ballaro. I would recommend him. Mike thanks man. I bet it would cost over $1K to ship that car to CA, which might not seem worth it. And right now, unless I could pick up a new 05 for $2K+ less than invoice, it won't be worth it to buy a year old "new" vehicle. SeanP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suds2250 Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 SeanP, You can find 2005 GT limited wagons in a manual tranny if you look hard enough. I've recently searched though the Midwest for one and found two. Go to Subaru.com and view dealers inventory. If I remember from last week, the dealer in Carson City NV (Micheal Hohl) has a 2005 Legacy GT Limited Wagon manual, black exterior tan interior listed in inventory. I'd check it out if its not to far. Good Luck 335HP/360Tq VF-22/1820 clone with Meth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacingFish Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 i traded in a two month old honda element that i owned free and clear for my tribeca the other day.. actually it was 2 1/2 months old. dont be weary of 1 year old cars for sale. sometimes people trade out of them because they cant afford them in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanP Posted December 13, 2005 Author Share Posted December 13, 2005 I stopped by the dealer tonight to drive a 5SM Outback Wagon. They had two 05 XT LTD's. Fawking retarded salesman, god I hate this process. He wouldn't listen to me and wanted to talk numbers before I even drove the car to see if I liked it. Car had a dead battery, I didn't get to test drive as they were closing. Ugh. How much below invoice would an 05 go for? SeanP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDork Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 what color are you looking for...i have searched all dealers withing a 500 mile radius of the SF bay. several to choose from if you like atlanta blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanP Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 anything but black at this point . APB is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDork Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 here you go man http://www.subarusanberdoo.com/en_US/frm_index.chtml?noc=1&pageName=NewVehicleSearch_1&overrideUrl=http%3a%2f%2fnitra.subaruusa.com%2fsan-bernardino%2fen_US%2fVehicleSearchResults.jsp%3fpageName%3dVehicleSearchResults_1%26pageType%3dVehicleSearchResults%26page_type_layout%3dVehicleSearchResults_subaru%26siteId%3db0cabd98015b10048092080020fccbcc%26locale%3den_US%26version%3dlive%26%26searchRadio%3dnew%26location%3dAll%26resultsPerPage%3d10%26showImages%3dyes%26search%3dnew%26fz%3dtrue%26make%3dSubaru somebody find me a white or silver one so i dont have to get black...please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDork Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 another one http://www.sandiegosubaru.com/en_US/frm_index.chtml?noc=1&pageName=NewVehicleSearch_1&overrideUrl=http%3a%2f%2fnitra.subaruusa.com%2fbobbaker-carlsbad%2fen_US%2fVehicleSearchResults.jsp%3fpageName%3dVehicleSearchResults_1%26pageType%3dVehicleSearchResults%26page_type_layout%3dVehicleSearchResults_subaru%26siteId%3d6954c73032f010048eef0003ba0ae224%26locale%3den_US%26version%3dlive%26%26searchRadio%3dnew%26location%3dAll%26resultsPerPage%3d10%26showImages%3dyes%26search%3dnew%26fz%3dtrue%26make%3dSubaru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDork Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 one more http://www.bobbaker.subaru.com/en_US/frm_index.chtml?noc=1&pageName=NewVehicleSearch_1&overrideUrl=http%3a%2f%2fnitra.subaruusa.com%2fbobbaker%2fen_US%2fVehicleSearchResults.jsp%3fpageName%3dVehicleSearchResults_1%26pageType%3dVehicleSearchResults%26page_type_layout%3dVehicleSearchResults_subaru%26siteId%3dca0f3260006c10048074080020f02f0d%26locale%3den_US%26version%3dlive%26%26searchRadio%3dnew%26location%3dAll%26resultsPerPage%3d10%26showImages%3dyes%26search%3dnew%26fz%3dtrue%26make%3dSubaru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waxiboy Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 How much below invoice would an 05 go for? SeanP I got mine in Sep and they gave in the ballpark of $2K below invoice. Do a lot of online searching and I'm sure there are still leftover 05s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanP Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 Thanks man. I might just get an OBXT also since they can still be had in a manual for 06. I got a quote from the San Bernardino dealer, they are willing to sell the 05 at invoice less the $1500 from Subaru. Doesn't seem like that great of a deal since I can get a new 06 at invoice less $1000. I am pretty sure that milage being the same, a one year older car will be worth a lot more less than $500. Finally, after reading about the stuttering issues here and outback.org, I am completely freaked out about buying this car. I am going to start another thread about this. SeanP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDork Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 whats the "stuttering issue"? im considering buying one of those as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDork Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 did you end up buying one of the blue ones? i was going to buy the one in el cajon...left the fleet guy a message at 6pm last night. it sold last night. im bummed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanP Posted December 15, 2005 Author Share Posted December 15, 2005 I am talking to Autowest in roseville about an 05 OBXT 5SM LTD. champagne. They are offering it for $3300 under invoice, but it needs an engine harness replaced !!!??!?!?!? WTF. I might be back to the drawing board. The other offers I got on 05 LGT wagons were $1500 under invoice which is really not much incentive to buy a yaer old car. SeanP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDork Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 i had $2500 under invoice on the one in el cajon. working on another one now. im running out of options... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanP Posted December 15, 2005 Author Share Posted December 15, 2005 yeah, 06's are going for $1K under invoice, so we need to make a decision about is a year old car worth buying when the price difference (for me) is $2300. I think yes. For $1500 dollars difference, I am not so sure. Plus the 06's have better side impact crash ratings (supposedly). I wouldn't touch an 05 for less than $3K off of invoice. remember, as we get closer to the end of the year, these guys will want to get rid of inventory. SeanP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDork Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 just bought a regal blue gt limited 5MT...$2500 under invoice is enough for me considering i know i want a new car and i don't want an outback. so its more a bonus getting the thing so damn cheap. picking it up in phoenix on saturday and driving back to sf bay. :O) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveracer Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Sean Someone on this board will have swapped their LGT suspension for a coilover kit, and probably be had pretty cheap. Or go for a Crash victim LGT in a boneyard for the suspension. Someone here has a lowered Outback in red, and it looked awsome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanP Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 Steve, that's what I was thinking for the suspension swap. I have seen the lowered OB and with the flares they do look awesome. MDork, congrats dude. Take it easy on the ride home. I think I am going to get this champagne OBXT, pricing is good. The salesman told me that they sell Cobb AP and I can include it in the financing of the car. The salesman bought a Spec B for himself and seemed like a pretty cool dude. SeanP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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