Guest *Jedimaster* Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Everyone on the internet is a genius Good news about the 06 RAV4 is it doesn't come with a manual trans yet-and my wife won't get an automatic, so I don't have to worry about buying her one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eles1 Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Um, but your math is for a CONSTANT 90 mph. This does not reflect acceleration. Further, I've been to the drag strip MANY times with many different cars, and trust me, if in a drag race (with cars of about this speed) one car jumps the other by .2 seconds from 0-60 it'll be about 1/2 car length or so ahead in the first 500 feet...then the other begins to pull up along side and cross the stripe .1 second sooner with about .5 or so mph faster....it'll be about a bumper's length or so (3-5 feet) in front. Over the short distance and time period (.1 seconds) we're talking about here, constant velocity is a sound assumption. Also, since they are running nearly the same trap, the relative acceleration between the vehicles is close to zero anyhow. The distance between cars will vary with trap speed, of course. If the two cars were trapping 60 mph, they would be closer at the finish. If they were trapping 120 mph, the distance between them would be greater. I've been to the track many times myself and the old ".1 = 1 carlength" rule of thumb has always held true for cars trapping below 100mph. Tough to argue with the numbers, although I'm sure you'll try Didn't mean to hi-jack your thread... I still like the new Rav4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_knoxville Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Heck, if I was on a limited budget and wanted a DO ALL vehicle that offered utility Model_____________Power_____________Towing Capacity________Base Price Toyota RAV4..........269hp/246 ft-lb......................3500 lbs........................$22,335 Isuzu Ascender......291hp/277 ft-lb.....................5800 lbs........................$20,500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neelnug Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 You think the rav4 is faster than an Avalon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AreEyeSeeKay Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Nope, C&D said that among current toyotas they've tested, only the avalon is faster, but they suspect the X-runner is faster too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripod Posted December 11, 2005 Author Share Posted December 11, 2005 Over the short distance and time period (.1 seconds) we're talking about here, constant velocity is a sound assumption. Also, since they are running nearly the same trap, the relative acceleration between the vehicles is close to zero anyhow. The distance between cars will vary with trap speed, of course. If the two cars were trapping 60 mph, they would be closer at the finish. If they were trapping 120 mph, the distance between them would be greater. I've been to the track many times myself and the old ".1 = 1 carlength" rule of thumb has always held true for cars trapping below 100mph. Tough to argue with the numbers, although I'm sure you'll try Didn't mean to hi-jack your thread... I still like the new Rav4 I understand your point, but you are forgetting 1 major thing. The .1 = 1 car length philosophy holds relatively true IF the cars accelerated equally from the get go and one of the cars slowing began to pull away and finished .1 tenth ahead. Keep in mind, in the situation between the RAV4 and the LGT (auto) was that the RAV4 accelerated to 60 mph (roughly 500 feet covered) .2 faster than the LGT (auto). Therefore, the RAV4 would (as I initially stated) have about a 3/4 car length lead at that point! THEN, over the next 800 feet the LGT (auto) would begin to SLOWLY reel the RAV4 in and by the time they reach the 1/4 mile mark, the LGT (auto) would finish .1 second faster (about the front bumper to 1/4 car) which when you add in the fact it started 3/4 car length back, gives you the .1 = 1 car length approximation rule. This example plays true also at the recent ESX Motorsports event. Boostjunkie and I raced our two LGT's at the dragstrip. Though his car is quite a bit more modified and powerful then mine (he is probably putting down 25-30 hp more and has lowered stiffer springs which allow for a harder/better launch) when we raced I launched my car better than he (I had launched my car at this drag strip 8-9 times already to his first time) and pulled about 3/4 car length on him right out of the gate. But then the power of his car began to reel me in. By the 1/8th mile he'd pulled 1/2 car length on me (but his time was .2 seconds faster) and by the 1/4 mile stripe, he was .4 seconds faster than I (with a trap speed of 3 mph faster) and was just under 2 car lengths in front (there was probably about 10 feet of air between my front bumper and his rear bumper). So the .4 tenths and 3 mph got him about 1.75 car lengths ahead at the finish, but when taking into consideration that he had to make up about .75 car lengths, he actually covered about 2.5 car lengths more than I did. Now, with his more powerful car and stiffer/lowered suspension, with more practice, he should EASILY be able to jump a good 1/2 or so car length on me to the 60' mark and in doing so, his ET's of .4 tenths faster than mine would probably be 3.5+ car lengths overall. Anyway, it's all relative, and with the new RAV4 vs. LGT (auto) it would be a drivers race anyway. But I was just impressed with the RAV4's level of acceleration for a $23K "cute ute"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripod Posted December 11, 2005 Author Share Posted December 11, 2005 You think the rav4 is faster than an Avalon? It's close though. They have the same engine, same transmission. I think the RAV4 Limited 4WD they tested weighs a bit more than the Avalon, and I'm sure the RAV4's aerodynamics didn't help either. Had they tested the FWD model RAV4, and I bet the times between the Avalon and RAV4 would of been REALLY close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripod Posted December 11, 2005 Author Share Posted December 11, 2005 Model_____________Power_____________Towing Capacity________Base Price Toyota RAV4..........269hp/246 ft-lb......................3500 lbs........................$22,335 Isuzu Ascender......291hp/277 ft-lb.....................5800 lbs........................$20,500 Where do you get $20.5K as the base price of the Isuzu? On Edmunds, it's $26K. Plus, the Ascender is essentially a Chevy Trailblazer. Won't be as fast as the RAV4 Won't get nearly as good gas mileage Won't handle nearly as well. Won't have nearly the resale value Sure the RAV4 may not tow or carry as much, but when I was talking about a "do all" I wasn't just worried about towing. If that was a top concern I'd get a real truck. "Do all" means, price, performance, handling, gas mileage, utility, comfort, etc etc. Again, I was talking "if" I was a person on a limited budget who "wanted" a sporty car, but needed something that could carry people and/or some gear if needed, tow light trailer if needed, and not break the bank. True a Forester XT would do the same, but it costs several thousands more (and sorry, it doesn't look very good IMHO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_knoxville Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Where do you get $20.5K as the base price of the Isuzu? On Edmunds, it's $26K. forget edmunds....price it on Isuzu's own website Sure the RAV4 may not tow or carry as much what, exactly, do you mean by "utility" then? babyseats and backpacks? If that was a top concern I'd get a real truck. isn't that what a real man would drive? a bigger concern should be at what point in your life did you begin getting excited over a "cute ute"? WHAT THE HELL IS GOIN' ON AROUND HERE?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyDB Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 Has anyone seen the new Jeep SRT8 commercial claiming 0-60 in <5 seconds (and starting at $49,000)? Can they lay claim to having the fastest stock SUV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 Fuel economy is 21/28 for the AWD V6 version of the RAV4. Hmm, weighs more, has more power, as fast if not faster (auto versus auto) has a greater frontal surface area and is probably is draggier than the LGT/XT, yet gets an estimated two mpg better in the city and highway. Time for direct injection Subaru? -B -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripod Posted December 13, 2005 Author Share Posted December 13, 2005 forget edmunds....price it on Isuzu's own website what, exactly, do you mean by "utility" then? babyseats and backpacks? isn't that what a real man would drive? a bigger concern should be at what point in your life did you begin getting excited over a "cute ute"? You want to get an Isuzu...go for it. "utility" meaning, the ability to carry needed items and supplies. Don't need a POS Isuzu to have that. No, a "real" man doesn't need to drive around in a Ferrari or a lifted 4x4 Powerstroke Diesel truck with 35" wheels. You are free to show how much of a "real" man you are driving around in an Isuzu...if any women wants to question my manhood, I'll show her in the bedroom...with my wife too. And I don't need to prove my manhood to other men (like you apparently feel you need to do)...beside, how big of a man do you think you'd look like when that "cute ute" RAV4 is pulling away from your Isuzu anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripod Posted December 13, 2005 Author Share Posted December 13, 2005 Has anyone seen the new Jeep SRT8 commercial claiming 0-60 in <5 seconds (and starting at $49,000)? Can they lay claim to having the fastest stock SUV? Nope...Porsche Cayenne Turbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_knoxville Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 You are free to show how much of a "real" man you are driving around in an Isuzu... don't own an Isuzu, don't plan on owning one. was just pointing out that there's a less expensive vehicle that had better "utility" capacities, since you decided to conclude your verbose Toyota RAV4 Commercial thread with a "If I was on a limited budget" endorsement. ...beside, how big of a man do you think you'd look like when that "cute ute" RAV4 is pulling away from your Isuzu anyway? actually, pretty BIG.....particularly when what's left of the RAV4's rear axle remains in the driveway along with the boat trailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripod Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 Once again, if I was going to be pulling a boat, I surely wouldn't do it in an Isuzu...nor the RAV4. But I would pull a jetski or a pair of motorcycles with the RAV4 before the Isuzu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fancub Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I believe the Limited Ed. RAV4 with V6 tested in the latest C & D issue had a sticker in the low thirties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Forester is still F45t4R!!!!111!!!! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Forester is still F45t4R!!!!111!!!! Automatic versus automatic I'd say RAV4 is da faster. -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The B4 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Automatic versus automatic I'd say RAV4 is da faster. The Forester XT's transmissions play two different roles... It's the only forester with any guts. Auto for those who want power manual for those who want performance The Rav4 V6 For those who want power. Not like the drivers would be taking them out on the track...but i bet an auto forester xt massacres a Rav4 v6 on a track. Forester is teh F4574R!!!!11!!!!!1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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