capttris Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 So I have my OEM Ford Mustang LED Fogs in hand, and I ordered the clear film kit for the 2015 Mustang, right from Lamin-x. (they didn't list the 2013 or 2014 Legacy and I figured I couldn't go wrong with ordering the film for the exact Ford lenses....) It arrived today and to my disappointment, the films are too small in diameter. Even with the Subaru trim/bezel in front, there is a decent gap where the film doesn't cover. I called Laminx and a real person answered on the 2nd ring. He explained that the film is meant to be installed "on the car" and NOT " by removing any trim and/or the light fixture" and that "the outer trim/bezel" should cover the film. Since I don't have a Ford Mustang Fog light trim/bezel handy, I googled it and looked at some photos of the OEM light on the Mustang. Hard to tell if the Ford trim covers more of the lens. The man on the phone said to email them some photos showing the issue, so I did. (I didn't tell him that I was putting this on a Subaru Legacy as this would instantly disqualify me for anything) and this is what I wrote: I ordered clear Fog light film for the 2015 Ford Mustang. I have brand new OEM Ford Mustang Fog lights, right from the dealer. My expectation for the film is protection from pitting and road debris. Unfortunately the laminx film does not cover the entire lens. See attached. The film is about 2 7/8” in diameter but the lens is 3 ½ -3 ¾ edge to edge(bezel on the plastic). In my opinion, the ideal diameter for this lens would be about the full width of the film with the tabs on it, which is 3 ¾ “ This is for full protection of the lens, but there is also a gap between the plastic trim bezel and the lens. Upon reading the instruction card, I read that “your fog light film cover kit has been designed to install with the trim bezel in place” Unfortunately this is not posted on your website under description, and the installation tab is BLANK. Had I known that this didn’t offer FULL lens protection, I would have inquired about a custom diameter or sheet of film to cut myself. Can you please send me qty (2) replacement clear films that are the full 3 ¾” diameter circle, plus tabs? ************ end of email So my hope is that they are willing to cut me 1) the bigger diameter circles or 2) send me a sheet of clear film and I can cut myself. Worst case is they fight with me and make me buy 2 new circles for another $14... It's not just the money but the lost time, as I am anxious to get these installed!Laminx fit issues to upload5.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeuEmMaiMai Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 how did you get the black trim piece off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanger Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 You pull them off from the front. Not that hard ○ ○ ○ Instagram: itshangertime :spin: ○ ○ ○ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee199969 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 how did you get the black trim piece off?Use a plastic pry tool and they'll pop right off Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using Tapatalk My "Build" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 I ordered Legacy specific Lamin-X films, same thing, smaller than the lens, but for the most part the exposed edge is covered by the fog bezel. You can see it in one of my pics. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeuEmMaiMai Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 what about taking a larger sheet and cutting it to size and applying it with a heat gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capttris Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 GTeaser I took another look at your photos and yes, I do see the film and tabs and how it doesn't fully cover the lens. It's interesting why Laminx does it this way. My only guess is to make it faster & easier for people to install on their car without removing any trim. Of course, the trim on my Legacy takes about 20-30 seconds to pop out, and that was even the first time, having never removed it before. But some cars might be much harder to remove. Driving in the NE, with the amount of sand and debris on the roads, you can see how pitted my OEM lens is on a 2013 car. So for me, if it's worth adding the Laminx, it's worth adding it over the entire lens. I've also seen a few youtube videos where the film on fog lights started to peel and collect dirt and debris around the edges after only 1 year. If Laminx doesn't offer me a replacement set, I'll have to shell out another $14.95 plus shipping to order the "custom" set of circle films for the 3.75" size that I need. I just wanted to share with this group in case anyone else is looking to do the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 No, this discussion had been helpful. I was already looking at laminx and now know which route I need to go. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capttris Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 UPDATE: I emailed Lamin-x the photos and description.... and waited.... and waited.... Finally I called and asked if they received my email. Oh, there it is. I didn't see it until now... They agreed that the film does not fully cover the lens, as they are designed to be installed ON the car without removing any trim. (I'm guessing the Mustang trim may cover more of the lens, similar to how the 2010-2012 trim seems to cover more, and the 2013-13 Legacy trim is a larger diameter, allowing more of the lens to be shown. I said it would be beneficial if this was called out in the description and/or the installation tab, so people would know what they are getting and could opt for FULL lens protection with a larger film. He agreed. And then he agreed to send me out 3.75" films at no charge. He was very nice about it. So now I'm waiting for them to arrive. I'll take some photos of the install. Hopefully I didn't go too big with the film, so that it will take a nice shape on the bevel of the lens. I can always trim if I need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeuEmMaiMai Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 package arrived today... well packages and looking good. won't be able to install them until get rid of this "oh shit if i try to remove plastic part when it is this cold, it will break for sure" weather (non heated garage lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrig Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 if you are on a bugget ! hey ! https://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-Driving-Fog-Light-Left-Right-Side-Front-Bumper-Lamp-for-Ford-2005-2014/263479621216?fits=Model%3ALegacy&hash=item3d589bf660:g:D5oAAOSw~HBZ7iGw&vxp=mtr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 if you are on a bugget ! hey ! https://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-Driving-Fog-Light-Left-Right-Side-Front-Bumper-Lamp-for-Ford-2005-2014/263479621216?fits=Model%3ALegacy&hash=item3d589bf660:g:D5oAAOSw~HBZ7iGw&vxp=mtr Those are what most of us already have, just standard fog lights with standard incandescent bulbs. Not LED like the ones in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrig Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Those are what most of us already have, just standard fog lights with standard incandescent bulbs. Not LED like the ones in the OP. was joking ! for this price you know what you get ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrig Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 do somebody know if there is a difference between jdm and usdm fog light? in term of performance . if i understand correctly is the design of the reflector that make this fog perform better . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capttris Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I just did the Ford OEM LED fog install on my 2013. Piece of cake. They pull out on an angle through their mounting hole (carefully). I took photos and can post if anyone wants to see. The only difference is the 2013 has the larger surround/trim so you see more of the lens. I'm glad I got the 3.75" diameter film from Laminx - the stock Suabru fogs have are heavily pitted and have a clear line around the outer 5% where the lens was blocked by the trim, and the lens is still clear, compared to the heavy pitting on the rest of the lens! So the new 3.75" Laminx film that I have wrapped around the bezel of the lens will be perfect and fully cover the exposed lens (which is about 95% of the open surface area) Initial impression in my garage.... NICE! I was used to the Subaru fogs giving a FLOOD light appearance as they were large. The Ford LED's are only centered in the inner 50-60% of the lens - the rest is just blacked out. The IMPORTANT test will be night driving and hopefully improved visibility, which is honestly why I got them. Hopefully I don't have to play with aiming them, but we'll see. Thanks to everyone here for their input! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeuEmMaiMai Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I set the Ford Fogs on my work bench and every day I look at them and say soon boys...soon.. I have not seen my car since Jan 30th... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I set the Ford Fogs on my work bench and every day I look at them and say soon boys...soon.. I have not seen my car since Jan 30th...Haha me too. Mine are sitting on my work bench as well. I was waiting to see how Cap's laminx turned out before I ordered. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capttris Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I recommend ordering the 3.75" circles AND NOT the Mustang Fog films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A_ron Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 The IMPORTANT test will be night driving and hopefully improved visibility, which is honestly why I got them. Have you done any night driving with them yet? Build Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Rumble Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Once my next paycheck comes in, I'm going to be picking up the TYC/Rock Auto Mustang replicas and the fog bezels to evaluate how those are as an option. Snagged the dash switch and relay off a part out already. 2012 Legacy 3.6R Build Thread 5th Gen Legacy BM/BR Body Kit Compendium Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted March 1, 2018 Author Share Posted March 1, 2018 Have you done any night driving with them yet?I've done some night driving with them, and on the rain at night. They are for sure better than our OEM fogs, but no amazing epiphany like a set of Baja Design Squadrons would be. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandborn Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 I set the Ford Fogs on my work bench and every day I look at them and say soon boys...soon.. I have not seen my car since Jan 30th... Rookie to the waiting game! :lol: Stu's the master. I'm trying to overthrow him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becks1818 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Here's a solid deal. $85 usd. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F272748506146 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capttris Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Yes, I have, and ironically we had some heavy fog for a few days here, right after I installed them. as GTEASER said, it's not like instant daylight from some monster LED off road flood lights. I feel like the Subaru OEM fogs gave more of a FLOOD, whereas these FORD LED Fogs have a very sharp and defined cutoff below the headlights, bbut honestly, that's what they are designed to do, and supposed to do. My understanding of fog lights are to actually throw light low and wide, onto the ROAD head, so that you can see the road and painted reflective lines on the road, to safely see and drive in FOG. Fogs lights aren't meant to be FLOOD lights that throw a ton of light at everything in front of you, including blinding the drivers in front of you, or other drivers in the other direction. What's amazing to me is how far to the SIDES these fogs throw the light, and very bright. Easily 20-30' to the left and right of my car, there is bright white light! I don't recall every having that with the stock fogs. What probably helps this with the 2013 fog trim bezel, is that they cut out to the sides so the light isn't just thrown forward, it kicks out to the sides, which is awesome. The 2010-2012 Legacy fogs/trim are much more covered and appear to be more forward-facing and may not let out as much light to the sides. Overall, in summary, I am VERY pleased, and thank everyone on this thread for their input, especially GTEASER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A_ron Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Were yours LED? Build Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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