SBT Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Out-of-the-box banned by NHRA... [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vD6A6NxySQ]Demon Unleashed | Challenger SRT® Demon | Dodge - YouTube[/ame] - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 only cause it does not have a cage. dodge could make it a factory option, if they were smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 Exactly... - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWebb Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 only cause it does not have a cage. dodge could make it a factory option, if they were smart. Whats the liability in doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted April 18, 2017 Moderators Share Posted April 18, 2017 A cage would also make it no longer street legal, yes? "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 ^not necessarily. i bet they could cleverly integrate a cage in to the body so that everyone is satisfied. i dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Whats the liability in doing that? no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05GT Guru Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 It said to run mid 9s and lift the wheels for the first few feet of the track.... but you can't race it at a track because it has no cage. A dodge salesman said "well, its a street car". Then how come every picture and video is of it at the track... a place it's not allowed. I'm confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 you can race it at the track, if you suck and dont launch well. if you run 10s and keep the traps below 135mph, you can do it all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05GT Guru Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 My local track is anything 11.49 or faster down to 10 I think needs at least a 5 point. 9s is a 8 point cage. But yea, you can go to the track and peddle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Pointless and stupid. No cage so you can't actually use it for its intended purpose at sanctioned events. If you cage it out it's no longer safe on the street without wearing a helmet. Then we consider the utterly useless suspension set up for any activity other than drag racing, so it will handle like shit doing anything but going strait. For the price you could build a faster drag race car, with a cage, so you could actually use it on the track. Since I'm not a drag racing enthusiast I guess I am biased against this one. I'd buy a ZL1 Camaro, or GT350 and have a much more well rounded car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWebb Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 its faster than my SS and I dont like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 In a strait line I have no doubt it is much faster than my SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Pointless and stupid. No cage so you can't actually use it for its intended purpose at sanctioned events. If you cage it out it's no longer safe on the street without wearing a helmet. Then we consider the utterly useless suspension set up for any activity other than drag racing, so it will handle like shit doing anything but going strait. For the price you could build a faster drag race car, with a cage, so you could actually use it on the track. Since I'm not a drag racing enthusiast I guess I am biased against this one. I'd buy a ZL1 Camaro, or GT350 and have a much more well rounded car. not to mention that either the ZL1 or GT350 can probably made to have more power fairly easily. the one thing the demon has though, is the ability to withstand the drive-line shock of drag launching like no other street can can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05GT Guru Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I don't know how easy it would be to add 200hp to the ZL1... or 315hp to the GT350. It wouldn't be terribly hard but I'd imagine without nitrous you would need a 8-10,000 supercharger... a new fuel system and the supporting parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I love the spin Dodge puts on NHRA saying "nope" on their new toy right out of the box. They see it as a badge of honor. I see it as "we were too lazy to integrate a roll cage into the car that would still be safe on the street without wearing a helmet." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05GT Guru Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 They don't really need to design anything. The rules on what a roll cage is at the track are pretty set in stone. A 5 point roll cage isn't dangerous at all on the street. The bars don't even come in front or on the sides of your head. Here is a picture of a 6 point. There is no real danger to your head. And a 8 point which is needed for 9s is the same thing but with 2 more posts crossing in the back behind the front seats.... so even a 8 point doesn't come close to your head. http://www.phastekperformance.com/v/vspfiles/photos/RPM-CAMARO-ROLL-CAGE-2T.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 if dodge were slick they would integrate a cage in to the uni-body in such a way that the rules would be satisfies, and ingress/egress would still be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05GT Guru Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 But the question is are they willing to change the rules to accept cars with cages in the uni-body? Would they be willing to do such a thing for 1 car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Probably not. I'll bet they make $$$ off of doing cage certification and inspections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodan Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 It amazes me how much hate there is for this thing on so many car forums. How can you call yourself an enthusiast and not just laugh out loud that Dodge had the balls to build something this completely f*cking nuts, and make it street legal! Sure, it's pointless on the street... as are all supercars, and most newer performance cars, including the ZO6, ZL1 and GT350, etc. You can't run any of them through 3 gears without reaching 'go to jail' speeds. That doesn't mean they're not fun to drive. Just be happy something like the Demon even exists in a world of coal powered hybrids, and self-driving Ubers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 It said to run mid 9s and lift the wheels for the first few feet of the track.... but you can't race it at a track because it has no cage. A dodge salesman said "well, its a street car". Then how come every picture and video is of it at the track... a place it's not allowed. I'm confused The NHRA has relaxed the rules for stock factory cars that faster than 11.49, so this allow stock ZR1, Z06, GTR, Hellcats etc to run at the track without a roll bar. Car that are modified still are required to meet the roll bar requirements for 11.49 or faster. Their is a whole different tier of rules for 9.99 for car and the driver also needs a NHRA license for 9.99 or faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 It amazes me how much hate there is for this thing on so many car forums. How can you call yourself an enthusiast and not just laugh out loud that Dodge had the balls to build something this completely f*cking nuts, and make it street legal! Sure, it's pointless on the street... as are all supercars, and most newer performance cars, including the ZO6, ZL1 and GT350, etc. You can't run any of them through 3 gears without reaching 'go to jail' speeds. That doesn't mean they're not fun to drive. Just be happy something like the Demon even exists in a world of coal powered hybrids, and self-driving Ubers. There is definitely a lot of cool engineering in the Demon, and if drag racing is your thing it is bad ass. However I still maintain that Dodge should have figured out a way to incorporate a roll cage to get NHRA blessing for an owner to run it out of the box on the strip. What they've done is similar to a gun manufacturer making a really nice entry level match pistol, but not including some features that a competitive governing body requires. Forcing the buyer to immediately have a gunsmith start working on the pistol so it can be used for its intended purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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