dbrunone Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 1. Should I spend the extra $20 to get the Gates "blue high performance" kevlar belt? Does it actually matter? 2. I was also planning to replace the water pump and thermostat while I'm in there. I was also considering doing upper and lower radiator hoses, is that worth it? 3. What special tools do I need (if any) to take off the harmonic balancer and/or manipulate the crankshaft? I watched some youtube videos about how to line up the marks and things, any other tips for doing this job? I've done a timing belt 10 years ago on a 3.0L Infiniti but never a Subaru, so any pointers would be nice. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve R. Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Replace everything under the cover, get some oem tensioners and idlers as well. Hoses are optional I suppose and I have no experience with the gates kevlar belt. Before teardown set the motor to tdc so that you do not have to move the crankshaft after taking the pulley/balancer off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER DOWN Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Did you read this thread. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/timing-belt-replacement-2-5t-106809.html Answers are there. IMO; 1. No, people hand issues with the "BLUE" coming off the belt & caking on the pulleys. 2. Yes, any hose that I have to remove to do a job that over 5-6yrs. old. I would replace. 3. Yes, get the right tool for the job, make job that much easier. http://www.grimmspeed.com/crank-pulley-removal-tool-subaru/ Mileage:331487 Retired/Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chato Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 3. the grimmspeed tool is slick, but I was able to hold it with two socket extenders in the large holes and a crow bar and still fit a 1/2 socket in there just fine. Used the $50 towards an OEM H2O pump and thermostat. I also did acc belts since they were already off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehawk618 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Definitely buy the crank pulley holder tool. The crank bolt is on there VERY tight. Buy a whole complete gates kit. It comes with everything that is inside the timing cover except the thermostat, seals and coolant. I personally won't replace the crank or cam seals unless they're leaking. 10' CTS-V, A6, Airraid, 2.4 upper, ID850's, self tuned. SOLD:06' LGT Wagon. BNR16G, Catless UP, DOWN, Hexmods VB, Hexmods diff bushings, BIG TMIC. Best 0-60: 4.651 by AP 1/4= 13.678@100.73 mph, 1.945 60', Automatic transmission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJr Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Parts to buy and some discussion on the parts. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/timing-belt-kit-recomendations-219677.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJr Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Gates kits are all OEM except the WP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 No, don't use the blue belt. Dayco also makes good belts, replace the drive belts too. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chato Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 there's a 25 post thread about this exact topic and questions literally ten post down on the front page of this subforum. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/timing-belt-kit-recomendations-219677.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbrunone Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 Thanks for the responses....what are your thoughts on locking the cams? I know one guy had problems with the vice grips breaking the cam gear, I dont want to do that. I don't remember locking cams when I did my Infiniti belt awhile ago, is it really necessary to do it here? If the cam gets knocked slightly out of alignment, can I nudge it back by hand or is all hope lost at that point? I found some "cam lock" tools for $25 each, maybe I should pick up 2 of them? Also, anyone looking to sell/lend a Grimmspeed pulley tool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmP6889928 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Where did you find the cam lock tools? I would like to post it on my info thread. Please post the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbrunone Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 http://www.lislecorp.com/divisions/products/?product=206 On RockAuto.com click "Tools and Universal Parts" tab --> Engine --> Tool --> Dual Overhead Cam (DOHC) Lock Tool EDIT: LOOKS LIKE THIS WILL NOT WORK FOR OUR ENGINES!! Found a review on Amazon: "Looks like a useful tool but it doesn't work on a Subaru 4 cylinder turbo engine. The problem is that this tool needs the cam sprocket notches to come to the edge of the sprocket. On the Subaru only one of the sprockets has this." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chato Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 needle nose vice grips worked just fine for me. just don't channel a silver back gorilla when you are installing them and you should be fine. Wrap the ends of the vice grips in some duct tape if you're worried about scratches on the inside of the pulleys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmP6889928 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 http://www.lislecorp.com/divisions/products/?product=206 On RockAuto.com click "Tools and Universal Parts" tab --> Engine --> Tool --> Dual Overhead Cam (DOHC) Lock Tool EDIT: LOOKS LIKE THIS WILL NOT WORK FOR OUR ENGINES!! Found a review on Amazon: "Looks like a useful tool but it doesn't work on a Subaru 4 cylinder turbo engine. The problem is that this tool needs the cam sprocket notches to come to the edge of the sprocket. On the Subaru only one of the sprockets has this." Thanks for posting the link. I did find the same thing you did as far as a most likely "will not work on Subaru" but I did find another one that looks like it would work well and I posted it in my stickie thread: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/idea-web-links-saved-various-parts-219238.html?p=4713441#post4713441 Last post. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER DOWN Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Thanks for the responses....what are your thoughts on locking the cams? I know one guy had problems with the vice grips breaking the cam gear, I dont want to do that. I don't remember locking cams when I did my Infiniti belt awhile ago, is it really necessary to do it here? If the cam gets knocked slightly out of alignment, can I nudge it back by hand or is all hope lost at that point? I found some "cam lock" tools for $25 each, maybe I should pick up 2 of them? Also, anyone looking to sell/lend a Grimmspeed pulley tool? needle nose vice grips worked just fine for me. just don't channel a silver back gorilla when you are installing them and you should be fine. Wrap the ends of the vice grips in some duct tape if you're worried about scratches on the inside of the pulleys. If you going to use vise grips, please read my post. http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4366413&postcount=158 The wood shims take up the gap between the DS upper & lower cam pulleys. Limiting almost all the outward pressure placed on the cam pulley by the vise grip. Remember you do not need a lot of force to hold cams in place. Mike Mileage:331487 Retired/Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Goodbarf Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 You need a helper. I do not think I could have changed mine alone. Take your time. I didn't use vice grips for anything? If duct tape and vice grips are a part of your plan, please re-evaluate. When I pulled the pin from the new tensioner I wanted to wear it around like a badge of honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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