I Donated thefultonhow Posted January 24, 2013 I Donated Share Posted January 24, 2013 it wouldn't be covered under warranty, $129 just for them to look at it. If it comes back I'll take it in. The cold does crazy things to these fine automobiles. An issue with the powertrain wouldn't be covered under the powertrain warranty? Wat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awwrxwgn Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 An issue with the powertrain wouldn't be covered under the powertrain warranty? Wat. who said it's a powertrain issue? Subaru won't just look at it for free lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjweb Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 They won't do much for $129 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awwrxwgn Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 They won't do much for $129 that's just for them to hook it up and tell me what the codes already are lol. I did call the local dealer and they are absolute awful, bunch of aholes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted January 24, 2013 I Donated Share Posted January 24, 2013 who said it's a powertrain issue? Subaru won't just look at it for free lol There is a problem with the ECU or a problem with something on the engine? Sounds like a powertrain issue to me. Get SOA involved if you have to. They should not be charging you a diagnostic fee to check the cause of those two codes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjweb Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 There is a problem with the ECU or a problem with something on the engine? Sounds like a powertrain issue to me. Get SOA involved if you have to. They should not be charging you a diagnostic fee to check the cause of those two codes. That's a slippery slope. What a powertrain warranty covers: Powertrain Coverage Components Engine Engine block and all internal parts Cylinder heads and valve trains Oil pump, oil pan Timing belts or gears and cover Water pump Flywheel Intake and exhaust manifolds Oil seals and gaskets Transaxle and Differential Transaxle case and internal parts Torque converter Electronic transmission control unit Seals and gaskets Axle shafts & constant velocity joints [except boots][3] Propeller shaft Wheel bearings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted January 25, 2013 I Donated Share Posted January 25, 2013 Doesn't cover the turbo or ECU? Really? That's surprising. EDIT: ECU is covered under 8 year/80,000 mile federal emissions warranty. Turbo is covered under powertrain warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjweb Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Doesn't cover the turbo or ECU? Really? That's surprising. EDIT: ECU is covered under 8 year/80,000 mile federal emissions warranty. Turbo is covered under powertrain warranty. Where did you see turbo? I got that info from subaru https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/warranties-2008.html Why would you think ECU in his case. I would think that assuming a CEL was caused by a bad ECU would be a little out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjweb Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 OP, check out NASIOC. There's a lot more info over there about those codes and their possible causes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awwrxwgn Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 it seems like dealerships are just out to get paid and prey on uneducated customers. The car only has 40k, I could deal with it if a spark plug or something needs to be replaced but I have a problem when the service tech on the phone says bring it in but it will not be covered under any warranty and will be charged $129 to diagnose any problems. I already thought about voicing my opinion about this particular dealership as this dealer is part of a group with Audi, Range Rover, and Volvo... That is why I am calling to another dealer that I have visited before with previous subaru. There is a problem with the ECU or a problem with something on the engine? Sounds like a powertrain issue to me. Get SOA involved if you have to. They should not be charging you a diagnostic fee to check the cause of those two codes. you think exactly how I do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated Too luchadorjose Posted January 25, 2013 I Donated Too Share Posted January 25, 2013 This sounds EXACTLY like the TGV > intake manifold gasket leak issue. It probably caused a hiccup, maybe combined with a loose ground, throwing the ebrake light and whatnot. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/diy-rough-idle-cold-start-cold-temps-lgt-07-09-155325.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awwrxwgn Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 This sounds EXACTLY like the TGV > intake manifold gasket leak issue. It probably caused a hiccup, maybe combined with a loose ground, throwing the ebrake light and whatnot. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/diy-rough-idle-cold-start-cold-temps-lgt-07-09-155325.html nice find man, dealer would find a way to say it's not covered though lol. Thank god for the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpmarky Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Turbo isn't covered by powertrain, only the items specified on that list that BJW posted I replaced the manifold gaskets, ez 30 min job, you can try also to make sure your MAF sensor is clean, your airbox filter is clean, and your sparkplugs and coilpacks aren't old/busted. Lastly, it could've been a bad tank of gas, winter blends sometimes add more/less meth to the mix. Stay away from cheapo brand gas. If you don't want to go to a dealer, find a local LGT'er that can take some data logs and get a LearningView snapshot. That's the only way to check what's happening on your own. Or you can forgoe the $129 diagnostic and buy a Tactrix 2.0 cable for $160 and do it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted January 25, 2013 I Donated Share Posted January 25, 2013 Turbo isn't covered by powertrain, only the items specified on that list that BJW posted Wait, so it's covered by the CPO powertrain warranty, but not the new-car powertrain warranty? http://www.cars101.com/subwarr.html Included with the 6 year or 100,000 mile powertrain warranty included with your CPO car includes Engine- engine block, cylinder heads, all internal lubricated parts, drive belts, intake manifold, flywheel, valve covers, oil sending unit, oil pan, motor mounts, seals and gaskets, turbo charger assemble anbd fuel injection system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjweb Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 You're going off a third party website that doesn't even take the time proof read their web pages. LOL And they have this disclaimer: This is an unofficial independent website and is not authorized, approved, or supported by Subaru or any dealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted January 25, 2013 I Donated Share Posted January 25, 2013 You're going off a third party website that doesn't even take the time proof read their web pages. LOL And they have this disclaimer: This is an unofficial independent website and is not authorized, approved, or supported by Subaru or any dealer. Jeez you're picky. Is this better? http://www.sportsubaru.com/subaru-certified-pre-owned.htm Powertrain Plan Covers: Engine: Engine black, cylinder heads, all internal lubricated parts, camshaft, drive belts, intake manifold, flywheel, valve covers, oil sending unit, oil pan, oil pump, motor mounts, seals and gaskets, turbocharger assembly and fuel injection system. BTW, I'm going off 3rd-party websites because Subaru does not seem to list details of their CPO powertrain warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpmarky Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Wait, so it's covered by the CPO powertrain warranty, but not the new-car powertrain warranty? http://www.cars101.com/subwarr.html Strange, yah it's not on Subaru's site. https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/warranties-2008.html Powertrain Limited Warranty POWERTRAIN COVERAGE for all models is 5 years or 60,000 miles, whichever comes first. Subject to the exclusions listed in this warranty, it covers the major powertrain components listed below.[2] Powertrain Coverage Components Engine Engine block and all internal parts Cylinder heads and valve trains Oil pump, oil pan Timing belts or gears and cover Water pump Flywheel Intake and exhaust manifolds Oil seals and gaskets Transaxle and Differential Transaxle case and internal parts Torque converter Electronic transmission control unit Seals and gaskets Axle shafts & constant velocity joints [except boots][3] Propeller shaft Wheel bearings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted January 25, 2013 I Donated Share Posted January 25, 2013 So, once again, why does Subaru cover the turbo under the CPO powertrain, but not the new-car powertrain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wpmarky Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 heh not sure, that is weird. Anyways, GL OP. I highly recommend the Tactrix for peace of mind, last thing you want to do is ignore what happened and hope it fixes itself. Cars don't fix itself, it'll just take away timing/power to reduce potential for future problems (reduced IAM). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awwrxwgn Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 heh not sure, that is weird. Anyways, GL OP. I highly recommend the Tactrix for peace of mind, last thing you want to do is ignore what happened and hope it fixes itself. Cars don't fix itself, it'll just take away timing/power to reduce potential for future problems (reduced IAM). I hear ya. I spoke to a Subaru tech at another dealer that was very helpful and he said the gaskets is a very well known problem. Unfortunately I cleared the codes so he said it would be best to wait for them to come back and then take it in with a printout of the mentioned thread. Worse case I tell them the car is idling like crap. He said it should be covered under the powertrain but it is up to dealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjweb Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 So, once again, why does Subaru cover the turbo under the CPO powertrain, but not the new-car powertrain? Call subaru and ask them. Or just google it:lol: Straight from Subaru: Turbo is listed under 2005 warranty - https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/warranties-2005.html not under 2006 and newer - https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/warranties-2006.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpmarky Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 nice catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted January 27, 2013 I Donated Share Posted January 27, 2013 Call subaru and ask them. Or just google it:lol: Straight from Subaru: Turbo is listed under 2005 warranty - https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/warranties-2005.html not under 2006 and newer - https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/warranties-2006.html Still doesn't answer my question. Neither does Googling it: https://www.google.com/search?q=subaru+turbo+powertrain+new+vs.+cpo So you've proved that they cover the turbo under the CPO powertrain warranty but not under the new-car powertrain warranty. Once again, how does that make any sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjweb Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 It doesn't have to make sense. I presented the information that is available from Subaru. If you only disagree because it doesn't make sense to you, then I do not know what to tell you. Not everything makes sense, it's part of life. Get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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