BAC5.2 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Want to help a fellow legacy brother out with a right fitting one. FMS dont even respond to emails Try e-mailing AJW Performance. That's who owns the Fast-MS.com website, despite the company actually being owned by IIR. Both companies are dishonest, IMO. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGHK87Jay Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'll give that a try. I sure as hell can't and dont have the time to pull these off again yet nor do i have to means of a lift or tools. I hope they ship me another set for free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'll give that a try. I sure as hell can't and dont have the time to pull these off again yet nor do i have to means of a lift or tools. I hope they ship me another set for free Don't hold your breath. What's more likely, is they'll bounce you back and forth. AJW will say they don't make FMS and that Josh at IIR owns them. You'll email IIR, and their sales staff will be completely ignorant, and say that FMS is from Maine and you should contact them. Round-and-round you'll go. If you DO get a replacement set, they will definitely be the exact same fitment you have now. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattg Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Josh won't do $hit for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Josh won't do $hit for you. Sure he will. He'll let you return a product if you pay 15% of the sale price AND cover return shipping. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattg Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 He'll tell you to have a coke and a smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGHK87Jay Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Thats a huge pain in the ass then I hate getting pushed back and forth. Honesty it would of been much easier to port and polish my oem headers, ceramic coat them and buy the mid section to swap out by grimmspeed and buy an sti up pipe or erz/cnt one. I'll probably get the oem headers done up pipeover spring break and keep them for back up cuz I have no idea how long these headers and up pipe will last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-BGTLimited Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Want to help a fellow legacy brother out with a right fitting one. FMS dont even respond to emails I'd be more than willing to help out, but what I plan to do is take the set I got from Hicksta and test fit them and find out whats wrong, and then cut bend add or twist to repair them and re-weld anything I have to change. I'm fully setup to weld 309 stainless. Unfortunately I can't help you much there unless I had your set to fit to my car then send back, but that's quite a bit of work to do, and cost on your end being in Canada and all. And to respond to Hicksta, Yes I had coated them but they never made it on the car, I was not happy with the coating finish so I had stripped them and was a bit worried on the fitment after reading some more info, AND after installing a M2 up pipe on a stock manifold for someone else... it changed the turbo position just a bit and I don't know what that will do to the rest of my turbo back. And since I JUST got that all situated with a cat and everything, If I have to cut and re-position anything I'm going to do it to the headers and probably the up pipe the most to get it right, none of that has been re-coated yet so I can cut and weld freely right now. Also with this being my daily driver and me spending most of my time working on my Beretta, Mods on this don't happen quick unless they are quick and easy to do. As far as my dealings with FMS... They couldn't even provide me with a header to up pipe gasket when I requested one, which leads me to believe they do not stock or purchase anything, they simply have stuff drop shipped, and if they do stock stuff then its only kits and they can't get individual gaskets since they come with the parts they buy, perfect example of someone dealing with a china based company for parts and not producing any of it. They got mad when I compared this image with Ebay M2 parts... http://fast-ms.com/products/FMS-EXT-100.jpg Look at the wrinkle in the first bend on the left... SAME one in the Ebay M2 stuff. http://www.m2performance.net/images/ImageUrl/2009-6-560020.jpg Also right on M2's website here is a pic of the headers they sell http://www.m2performance.net/images/ImageUrl/2009-6-1061150.jpg In the end if you can get the product to fit without any excess strain on any of the parts then you will not crack welds and they should hold up just as good as any of the other sets of headers. The welds on these products are done very well and are most likely not the weak point, its just the fact they are installed under so much stress sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 ^Agree 100% and I have also had the M2/Meng China header and up on my car a couple of years ago. The FMS stuff looks like it came off the same bender and from the same parts pile. If I lived local to BGTL I would definately pay him to modify any gear I have but I just don't get shipping a cheap and heavy header/up shipped to CT (and back) to have it made to fit instead of just yanking it off the car, reselling it and either going back to a oem exhaust manifold (which will up your spool from those silly stage 2 headers) and find a STI or 07+ or gutted oem UP... or buy some GTSpec ELH with the 3 eye flange in the header to up connection that is sure not to leak. Anyhow, if anyone can make sense of the FMS its going to BGTL. He sees products he doesn't like or dont exist and makes them for his Baretta. EDIT: Anyhow, cheap pipes do work (at least for a little while) if you can get them to fit and not crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-BGTLimited Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I didn't like the 2 bolt flange and steel donut gasket on my modified Grand Am headers on my Beretta, so I made them better. http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh201/3400modified/Pinky%20Parts/IMAG0041.jpg http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh201/3400modified/Pinky%20Parts/IMAG0047.jpg I'll do the same to these till I'm happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGHK87Jay Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 I'm actually located in LA in So Cal my city is called La Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-BGTLimited Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 LOL, I was actually confused by the location you had after I posted that. Too many things in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 ive got one of the FMS uppipes, havent put it on yet. So i should expect it to be a pain in the ass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-BGTLimited Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 From what I did with stock manifolds it's not THAT bad... It tips the turbo back mabe 1/8"-1/4" IIRC Its also best to find a Vibrant 2 bolt flange gasket with fire ring for the up to manifold since the stock gasket fire ring is smaller than the diameter of the up pipe so you wont get any compression on it and it will most likely leak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 This is why I bought Grimmspeed manifolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-BGTLimited Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 That too is $493 with gaskets and the thermal coating I'm using on my headers, so it all depends on what you want to spend and do to get something to fit... As noted I'm a man of fabrication and will make the odd ball stuff work with my car. I spent $150 on my headers and up IIRC and I will modify them if necessary and make them fit. I was told that the E-bay downpipes that I was planning on buying was crap but I made that work as well and I hope to get a dyno run done sometime this summer to prove it performs the same as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 That too is $493 with gaskets and the thermal coating I'm using on my headers, so it all depends on what you want to spend and do to get something to fit... As noted I'm a man of fabrication and will make the odd ball stuff work with my car. I spent $150 on my headers and up IIRC and I will modify them if necessary and make them fit. I was told that the E-bay downpipes that I was planning on buying was crap but I made that work as well and I hope to get a dyno run done sometime this summer to prove it performs the same as well. Ah the Beretta i too had headers on my N body (97 GA GT) they were Pace setter headers with no flex and as you know the merge connect to the mid pipe at a angle pernedicular to engine aft and forward movement. I chopped No1 cly primary added a flex and added a donut to the midpipe connection. Those were the days of the LD9 and in my case a LD9 bottom end with the QUAD 4 head off a 93 GA better cams better flow. Is that your Beretta in your avatar? I went to an N body meet many moons ago and got to go down the strip in a GTU with a boosted 3600 V6. If you are running the LD9 or Quad 4 have you ever thought about the boosting it ?? They hold up really well my engine blew the stock HG at 7 PSI so a simple rebuild with comtech HG and it never had a problem. Sold that car to a kid who trashed the engine in under a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-BGTLimited Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Nope no quad for me... Its a LA1 bottom end and LX9 top end being bottle fed... and it's also a 4t60e automatic trans setup. I have a thread about the car over on Newenglandsubarus if your interested. I didn't get pacesetter headers, I bought a set of SS ones back when they were around and had to modify them for my engine bay since our firewalls are much closer than the N-body's. $500 investment that I had to cut and fit since that was the only solution for my setup, or make my own set completely, at that time I didn't have the means to do that. I probably could now. And you probably rode in a 3500 v6 boosted car, there is no 3600 I've been debating boosting the V6, but I just don't have the money to make the investment in the turbo setup, I would need basically everything since its no where near setup for boost... Including probably moving to MLS headgaskets, but I think the stock graphite ones would hold up since they are lasting with the spray. I'm also a fan of the spray since I can drive this car to and from work and on trips and such and not get myself in as much trouble or beat on the drivetrain so much...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Nice nice ill have to check your thread out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 This is the main reason that we now refuse to install any of the knockoff company parts on customer cars. If the customer insists on having us install a part from a knockoff/poor fit finish company, we simply let them know up front that hey will be billed at our ourly rate for the entire time the install takes. This allows us to work out he kinks in poor quality products and in the end if it takes 6 hrs to make it fit perfectly, so be it. We highly discourage our customers from buying cheap parts... -mike http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 After my fight with a certain TMIC this Saturday, I have had enough. I am now in the mindset of Mike at AZP. New rule at IP&T. See above. I will install them, but it is T&M at normal shop rate. Clocking a turbo and grinding on a TMIC end tank is not SOP for an install. Especially after thecustoemr failed on the initial install and stripped the turbo flange threads and the BPV threads. Second time in 1 month I have seen this. No more at standard rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-BGTLimited Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I would have expected that sort of practice from you guys already. And I tend to agree with what you have setup since if I were not doing the work myself I would probably opt for the name brand part that I know you can install in little time so the installation cost is lower. But for someone who does a lot of work on their own and likes to make things more their own then I still opt for the cheaper parts that I will work at installing, some of them I've had to modify in ways to make them fit but at the same time I am modifying them to install differently, such as my Ebay downpipe and GMK exhaust, In order to get that to work good I had to re-position everything and since I removed the flanges and did V-bands I accomplished two things, better mating joints and better fitment, and I wanted to do the V-bands from the beginning so the fitment was a benefit from what I had planned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I would have expected that sort of practice from you guys already. And I tend to agree with what you have setup since if I were not doing the work myself I would probably opt for the name brand part that I know you can install in little time so the installation cost is lower. You would be suprised at what folks expect from an install shop. "but your website said it was $195 for the install" is what you get despite the parts being a bear and taking 2hrs extra to install... They expect you to donate your time to their cause... -mike http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-BGTLimited Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I wouldn't see any issue with your website stating $195 install fee for any items we carry in house. Any other brands are subject to standard hourly rates... I'm actually surprised you didn't have that. Many shops only offer low install prices for items they carry since they know exactly what it will take to install time wise. But I'm sure you left that out since you were trying to help out the community. Either way at least your fixing it now to protect your time investment in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I wouldn't see any issue with your website stating $195 install fee for any items we carry in house. Any other brands are subject to standard hourly rates... I'm actually surprised you didn't have that. Many shops only offer low install prices for items they carry since they know exactly what it will take to install time wise. But I'm sure you left that out since you were trying to help out the community. Either way at least your fixing it now to protect your time investment in the future. Yeah we are pretty liberal with our time too. We end up billing much lower in terms of hrs than it actually takes often times. -mike http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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