FLZ_Boy Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I decided I want to replace my EJ25D (has rod knock) with a rebuilt engine. I looked up the net and found Colorado Component Rebuilders, Inc. Anyone used their rebuilt engines before? Any problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subikid90 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 What do they cost? I would rather take my motor to a local machine shop and have them do the work so if I have problems I can easily get in contact with them. -Subikid90 1997 Legacy GT 5spd & EJ251 w/EJ25D heads ~10.5CR 1998 Legacy GT Limited waiting for EJ22T hybrid swap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLZ_Boy Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 They charge roughly $3800 with shipping (most likely a core charge is in there also), so I figure the cost is about $3,400. The engine is pretty much complete (less a few items like manifold and sensors). Sure I probably can save a grand doing the rebuild myself, but I'm getting to old to keep wrenching. I'm more curious if anyone has used the mentioned company with great results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eekay Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Whoa! That's an EXTREMELY high price to have your EJ25D rebuilt... For that price, you could buy an EJ257 STi engine AND transmission and have them shipped to your door! Other than the above information, I have never heard of that company. Sorry. Just figured I would toss my 2 cents in as far as the price. That's a lot. My 9.3 cups EJ22 makes me feel like my **** is 2.8 decimeters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subikid90 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I agree that is way to much. Your machine shop will build the whole motor for you and if you don't want to instal it you can have a shop do the labor. In the end you will be less than $3k and have a warranty you can trust. -Subikid90 1997 Legacy GT 5spd & EJ251 w/EJ25D heads ~10.5CR 1998 Legacy GT Limited waiting for EJ22T hybrid swap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLZ_Boy Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 Interesting comments, I am currently getting a quote from a tuner shop I use locally. Hopefully, the rebuild will last through a few seasons of rallycross for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subikid90 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 My only word of advice is to make sure they have built subaru motors before, not everyone has the knowledge of them. It never hurts to throw in a set of cams or higher compression pistons if you have the money. -Subikid90 1997 Legacy GT 5spd & EJ251 w/EJ25D heads ~10.5CR 1998 Legacy GT Limited waiting for EJ22T hybrid swap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLZ_Boy Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 My only word of advice is to make sure they have built subaru motors before, not everyone has the knowledge of them. It never hurts to throw in a set of cams or higher compression pistons if you have the money. Unfortunately, I live in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. I won't be able to raise compression and cam the engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eekay Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Bah! California FTL. Isn't there a way to get around that stuff if you register your car in a different county or something? My 9.3 cups EJ22 makes me feel like my **** is 2.8 decimeters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLZ_Boy Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 Bah! California FTL. Isn't there a way to get around that stuff if you register your car in a different county or something? Yes, but a different State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eekay Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Bummer... My 9.3 cups EJ22 makes me feel like my **** is 2.8 decimeters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subikid90 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 How the hell would they know if you changed anything -Subikid90 1997 Legacy GT 5spd & EJ251 w/EJ25D heads ~10.5CR 1998 Legacy GT Limited waiting for EJ22T hybrid swap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stang70Fastback Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 So then what should one expect as a cost to have the motor rebuilt correctly, and with enough stuff done to consider it mostly a new engine? Are we looking in the 2-3k range? Also, same question for a rebuilt tranny... I'm debating whether to take some of my rebate money and do one or the other because both will need it sometime in the near future. I know shop prices vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Never heard of this company and I've been doing Subarus in Colorado for about 6 years. But I only do performance so I don't know if they have a niche market for non-performance regular stuff. FYI, a brand spanking new turbo shortblock from Subaru is only $1800 My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLZ_Boy Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 How the hell would they know if you changed anything In the Peoples' Republic of Kalifornia, the smog test consist of a sniffer test and visual test (EGR, Canister, Cats, etc.). So then what should one expect as a cost to have the motor rebuilt correctly, and with enough stuff done to consider it mostly a new engine? Are we looking in the 2-3k range? Also, same question for a rebuilt tranny... I'm debating whether to take some of my rebate money and do one or the other because both will need it sometime in the near future. I know shop prices vary. My last car (Supra, 6-Cylinder) I rebuilt by myself cost close to $3,000 for the engine. In that amount, I had machine work, valve jobs, new parts, new sensors, new hoses, new pumps, new belts, new pistons, new bearings etc. The only thing I didn't replace was the Cams, connector rods, EGR and Fuel Injectors. The transmission was sent to a shop and rebuilt for $1,000 (one year warranty and they do delievery also!!!). I figure if I add labor for having the engine pulled and install will come close to $1,500. Therefore, I expect the total cost will be $5,500 to $6,000 with labor to have the engine rebuilt and transmission rebuilt. I'm sure I can knock off a few sensors here and there to save about $500, save another $500 (since it's a 4 cylinder) and maybe go with aftermarket hoses to save about another $100. In conclusion, I would probably pay around $5,000 to have GT rebuilt locally (with a tranny rebuilt too!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stang70Fastback Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Ok, so what you're telling me is I need to buy one of you guys a few beers and have you do all the work, and it will cost me around 3-4 grand. Got it. Who wants to get down and dirty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eekay Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 3-4K for brand new turbo hybrid motor! I would be more than happy to help if I were anywhere near you. My 9.3 cups EJ22 makes me feel like my **** is 2.8 decimeters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subikid90 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 In the Peoples' Republic of Kalifornia, the smog test consist of a sniffer test and visual test (EGR, Canister, Cats, etc.). You would pass a visual test, unless they pull your motor apart. With a built motor you should still be able to pass a sniff test, as long as you dont delete the emissions stuff. I have heard of people not passing for turbo swaps, but not a build NA motor. To comment on the price... I am in the middle of a rebuild right now and my parts have cost $600. Rings Bearing main and rod 8 intake valves timing belt kit master gasket kit head bolts And I paid my machine shop to do the valves, that was $350, but discounted for me. For another $1000 tops I could of paid my machine shop to assemble and hone the block. That is less than $2k for a complete rebuild done properly. I am looking at under $1k to do most of it myself and it is still done properly. -Subikid90 1997 Legacy GT 5spd & EJ251 w/EJ25D heads ~10.5CR 1998 Legacy GT Limited waiting for EJ22T hybrid swap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stang70Fastback Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 If I could have my engine rebuilt for 2k or less by someone who I know knows what they are doing, I would do it in a heartbeat. I'm getting tired of nursing this engine. It runs fine, but with 252k on the clock, I know it's a ticking time bomb. At 170k, the head gaskets were replaced and the car was handed down to me. Not knowing at the time about how the replacement gaskets are a permanent fix, when the mechanic told me "drive carefully, because they could go again at any time," and considering that the car was just a lame station wagon, I set myself a mental barrier of 3500 RPM. I almost NEVER exceed that, except in very rare cases, and one Autocross. So in six years, I've mentally trained myself to maintain that barrier, to the point where I can't leave the car in cruise control going up hills because I know it will downshift to 4500. It's like a disease. That and keeping an eye on the temperature gauge. No car will ever be able to overheat on me again because I will notice a 1 degree change in the angle of the needle. The point is, I've since learned that the head gasket fix was clearly a more permanent solution than my mechanic led me to believe. Now, though, the engine has many more miles, has the infamous cold-start piston slap, and doesn't idle smoothly all the time, so I'm STILL babying it knowing that if it blows up, I am thoroughly screwed. I'm getting 5k back from my school on Monday. 4k of that is supposed to go straight to my parents, but I'll bet I could talk myself into 2k, considering $600 would already be spent on a timing job if nothing else. The trouble is, the shop I normally bring my car to here doesn't do rebuilds on Subarus - only new, 5k longblocks, and I don't know who else to trust, and I don't see them doing it for 2k or less... BLAH. I just hate spending $600 on a timing belt job since that's like 1/4 of what an entirely rebuilt engine would cost. I am broke, so it's not like I couldn't use the 2k for other stuff, but I could manage, and being broke just makes me feel even more like that $600 timing job is just a waste of money since the rest of the engine is so old. I've been doing things to the rest of the car so that I can justify putting a new engine in it, since the rest of the car is now in very good shape... but I just don't have the money. Pooper-scoopers. /depressed mood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLZ_Boy Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 You would pass a visual test, unless they pull your motor apart. With a built motor you should still be able to pass a sniff test, as long as you dont delete the emissions stuff. I have heard of people not passing for turbo swaps, but not a build NA motor. I'm sure I might be able to pass the sniffer test if I go with a stand alone, but I plan to keep the GT stock. I'm thinking of running stock class for the car (SCCA), but I'm not sure atm. To comment on the price... I am in the middle of a rebuild right now and my parts have cost $600. Rings Bearing main and rod 8 intake valves timing belt kit master gasket kit head bolts And I paid my machine shop to do the valves, that was $350, but discounted for me. For another $1000 tops I could of paid my machine shop to assemble and hone the block. That is less than $2k for a complete rebuild done properly. I am looking at under $1k to do most of it myself and it is still done properly. I will see how much my quote comes too. Hopefully, it comes close to what you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyposeur Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 You are never too old to turn a wrench! Bury me with my torque wrench in my cold dead hands. If you are too old to turn a wrench, the you must have some $$$. JK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLZ_Boy Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 If you are too old to turn a wrench, the you must have some $$$. JK! Winnar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osei Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 If I could have my engine rebuilt for 2k or less by someone who I know knows what they are doing, I would look for a donor engine now,do all the necessary changes and have it ready to go, whenever the inevitable happens. Since you're babying it anyway, an EJ22 swap would be a good alternative. This will minimize any down time and probably stay well under 2K if you can do any of the work yourself. O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stang70Fastback Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Don't want an EJ22 though. Bleh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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