Escort Radar Detector Remote Flush Mount 5MT

[mwiener2]

The idea is to detect the signal when a cop targets someone in front of you. So you can slow down before he targets you.

 

 

Lidar is detectable and my X50 has picked it up many many times and saved my ass many many times

[eb50]

Radar detectors don't work anymore. Li-dar cannot be detected. A cop friend of mine told me that by the time radar detectors work, the speeder is already caught and clocked on the radar.

 

But this mod is very well done and clean!

 

this is ridiculous. please do some reading. escort has saved me 100s of times

[HarryN]

this is ridiculous. please do some reading. escort has saved me 100s of times

 

I've done better than reading. I've actually done a ride with him and saw him in action. It was a rather a boring day, but he nailed quite a few people and pointed out which ones had the really expensive "paper weights" as he put it, which should have prevented them from getting caught. I am only going off of what I was told and shown. That was all.

[eb50]

I've done better than reading. I've actually done a ride with him and saw him in action. It was a rather a boring day, but he nailed quite a few people and pointed out which ones had the really expensive "paper weights" as he put it, which should have prevented them from getting caught. I am only going off of what I was told and shown. That was all.

 

whistler and cobras are not really expensive paper weights. did you actually go see what brands of radar detectors they were using? was he using pop? did he pull over the first car he saw speeding or every single one that raced by while he was stopped? lol

 

what you probably saw was... cop used pop, found that drivers was not speeding, cop used pop on next car, found he was not speeding, cop used cop on a 3rd car, pulled him over

 

meanwhile, everything with an escort or valentine were alerted that a cop ahead was using POP and slowed down. the guy in the 3rd car was either driving like an ass hat and couldnt hear his detector or was using a cheap detector.

 

no one claims that their detectors are 100% get out of jail free, but i can guarantee that your cop buddy was using his detector, and drivers that did get an alert slowed down.. but not hte guy you saw busted

[TSiWRX]

HarryN -

 

Give this thread a read:

 

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1405323

 

My screen-name there is LGT+WRX, and my contributions to the thread begin on page 4, with post #79, and spans the next 10 posts or so of that thread. You don't need to read the entire thread, as my posts also quote those whom I was trying to correct/update/inform.

 

LIDAR is far from undetectable, and also far from the perfect enforcement tool that the enforcement community and those selling those devices make them out to be. My reference posting above should give you more than enough background reading and understanding - and as for proof, there's plenty of it there, too.

 

Truthfully, instant-on RADAR, practiced by someone with good tradecraft (to include not only usage of the device, but also the physical setup of the trap), is much harder to defeat via speed-detection countermasures. Even the best detector stands little chance against instant-on RADAR, without the driver taking proper tactical driving considerations (i.e. using a "rabbit/bird-dog")

 

If your friend wanted to be undetectable, he'd use VASCAR or pacing.

 

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eb50, be careful of POP.

 

Even with the best detector (yes, Escorts/Bels and the V1), detecting POP is a lucky shot, and furthermore, there's literally no way of ascertaining that what was observed as POP is a true POP signal, instead of a false positive.

 

I'll be back to this thread to give you a better idea of why POP detection is such a problem - gotta find where I buried the past post, so I don't have to write it all over again!

[TSiWRX]

Ah, here it is, eb50 -

 

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1749419&highlight=POP&page=2

 

 

This is why you'll find virtually all countermeasures enthusiasts on the RadarDetector.net Forums - and elsewhere - to have turned off POP detection on their various detectors.

[HarryN]

Huh, some good info here.

 

I am interested in learning more about his POP detection. I remember that word being tossed by him and instant on radar.

[TSiWRX]

HarryN - The POP stuff is in the referenced NASIOC post, in my #31 reply above.

 

POP is virtually useless, as it requires the enforcer - an honest enforcer - to carry out an extra step, before executing the traffic stop. An enforcer well-versed in instant-on usage can utilize the "quick trigger" method to defeat most RADAR detectors in the same manner as with POP usage, and it allows him/her to instantly "write the ticket," if you will.

 

We have members of the speed-detection countermeasures enthusiast community who have conducted ride-alongs in much the same way as you have, with their friends in the enforcement community, who've noticed POP-capable equipment in their arsenal, but which, upon candid interviews, the enforcers confessed to never using POP, due to the very fact that it literally gives them just one more headache.

 

Currently, both in terms of the legal ramifications of POP usage as well as the far-from-perfect capability (i.e. LACK of capability) of even the top-dog detectors from Escort/Bel and Valentine to be able to properly capture true POP use and to resist POP falsing, there is virtually *NO* value in running *any* detector with POP enabled, as it not only significantly raises the noise floor (which can lead to "detector desensitivity" of the user, which is a cardinal sin of detector usage), but also causes the detector to priority-sweep that sector, which can in-turn cause it to experience delays in sweeping the rest of the bandwidths (which, in the real-world, means increased response/alerting time as well as decreased detection distances).

 

I would only advise POP detection enabling if you know, for CERTAIN (and please don't deceive yourself on this, saying that "oh yes, my locals do" - you have to be 100% sure, and the only way to do this is to actually solicit honest statements from your local enforcers, note, in my referenced NASIOC post, that it is IMPOSSIBLE to rule out either false-positives or false-negatives of POP usage, no matter how many detectors/vehicles are utilized in the scenario, and that the ONLY way to ascertain usage is via interview) that your area enforcers actually use POP, and furthermore, that the type of POP they use is actually technically detectable by your selected detector.

 

Otherwise, POP off.

[HarryN]

Hey TSi+WRX/LGT+WRX, thank you for that link. I sent it to my friend who works for Maryland State Police. I am interested to hear what his response is.

 

It was very informative. I am still a skeptic about getting a radar detector, so I will just count on my senses and drive as careful as possible. I will just unleash the speed demon on the track instead of the streets.

 

So what does POP stand for anyways? Forgive my ignorance.

[TSiWRX]

^ You know, I honestly don't know what POP stands for! I never even thought of it as an acronym - just a descriptor! Great question!

 

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I'm very interested to see what your friend's response will be, to POP, as well. Honestly, if I were an enforcer, I'd see it more as a liability than anything, as it's just one more level of complexity both operationally as well as legally.

 

I'd rather just I/O "quick trigger," and get it over and done with, with a perfectly legal and valid K- or Ka-band hit on my target vehicle.

 

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Truth be told, most people are under the false impression that having a detector would allow one to drive like the proverbial "bat out of hell," when, honestly, it is just a supplement to what you're already doing - letting your good common sense as well as proper driving (defensive) technique still be at the forefront.

 

Although I'm a speed-detection countermeasures enthusiast, my own driving is actually mostly PSL, and even on the open highway, rarely above 10-over.

 

Throughout this thread:

 

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103687&highlight=speeding

 

I honestly detail the way I drive - and just as truthfully, there are actually *many* members of the speed-detection countermeasures hobbyist community who drive and think just as I do.

 

Although that may be a surprise to many in the enforcement community, if one thought about it, it's rather easy to see why:

 

Quite simply, we're too well-aware of the fact that there are so many different ways to conduct enforcement - with so many tools available - that speeding, if not for one's own or other's safety in-mind, at all, then just in terms of avoiding a ticket, is really a very risky behavior, in terms of getting cited.

 

In knowing the true capabilities of our countermeasures, including, most specifically, their technical shortcomings (as a quick example, to-date, none of the Escort/Bel detectors are capable of detecting "quick trigger"), we are intimately familiar with the fact that we start off behind the 8-ball, that we're always at the disadvantage, and that all the enforcer has to do is to just simply get blind lucky, and he/she can defeat even the best countermeasures that we employ.

[raleigh]

Thanks for the walk through..

 

Finished earlier today. went surprisingly smooth

Such a clean mod. I likes!!!

[hassa]

Ugh!!! You just reminded me I've had the smart cord sitting in my basement for about 2yrs waiting for me to do this mod . I should just quit being so lazy about doing it......along with GS AOS, Jazzy board (almost 5yrs old), tailight overlays, hood dampers......lol

[dr_sharp]

Very cool. I might try this this week.

 

Does anyone know where to get GOOD suction cups for these things? Mine falls off the windshield about once a month. Always seems to happen when the temperature changes drastically.

[dr_sharp]

It seems like the toughest part of this is routing the wiring to the detector.

[TSiWRX]

Clean the windshield well with a lint-free cloth, then use a small bead of silicone vacuum grease around the perimeter of each suction cup disc. That's one trick.

 

You can also go to any crafts store or office-supply store, to see if there are larger suction cups with deeper "dishes," for you to adapt for your purposes. Bring the mount with you to see how much of the end "knob" portions you may have to modify.

 

There are other solutions - cross my screen-name with the term "suction" or "mount" (), and you should get those posts.

 

Best of luck!

[mwiener2]

I wouldn't search his name and suction together... you might not like what you find

[TSiWRX]

^ :lol:

 

I didn't say Google it, I just said use the search engine here!

[Newton]

that is an awesome mod DIY

[abaksh]

I got this from Leg-GT Chris.

 

 

What we are doing is flush mounting the remote mute Smart Cord for an Escort Radar Detector on the trim around the shifter. This is for advanced users only because a screw up is pretty expensive. ($230 for a new trim piece) Becasue I am writing for advanced users, I am not going to explain how to do certain things that an advanced user should already know...

 

 

1. Remove the trim piece (advances users should know how to do this)

 

1.5. remove shifter boot from shifter trim

 

2. Prep the trim piece by covering the entire thing with electrical tape to prevent scratching. Leave the space we are going to be working with open.

 

3. Take apart the smart cord.

 

4. Gently apply the sticker to the top of the trim, centered from side to side, and just above center from top to bottom of the bottom of the trim piece. Trace the one hole and the whole sticker with a pencil. Remove sticker and put it somewhere where it will remain sticky. See first Pic

 

5. Drill out the 3 holes. see first pic

 

6. Now you need to shave off part of the top of the smart cord housing so that the button and lights sit up in the holes in the trim. We will be using the side of the housing with the cutout in it for the cord. This side also has the peg for the screw that holds the houseing together. see pic 2 and 3

 

7. now we need to attach the smart cord housing to the trim piece. There is a little lip on the front we will drill into. see pic 4

 

8. set the housing up against the holes and see if they match up. I had to use a little piece of something as a spacer to push the housing away from that lip so that the holes would line up when i attached the housing to the lip. Use glue or a screw, what ever you're more comfortable with. I used a screw. see pic 5

 

9. Now we need to trim a piece on the shifter boot aurround that is supposed to poke through the lip on the trim. see the lip in pic 6 trim it so it does't hit the smard cord housing when installed.

 

10. install guts back into smartcord housing. use the screw to keep the PC board in the housing...I didn't use the other side of the housing. Cover the PC board with electrical tape to protect it. see pic 7

 

11. figure out where you want to grab power from and where you want to mount your detector. Run wires and attach power. (advanced users should know how to do this)

 

12. put it all back together. apply sticker. all done. see last two pics

 

 

What size were the holes you drilled?

[mwiener2]

LED size

 

 

I don't remember