Driver72 Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 Think it's a bit lame for them to call it the EVO 9 with just minor changes but anyways... have you guys seen this yet: 10 more hp 3 more ft-lbs torque Subaru BETTER make the 06 STI come with at least 10 more HP and TQ and make some other mods if it wants to keep up with this new EVO http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=105130?tid=edmunds.h..insideline.promo.2g.*#16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 wider tires and a better torque curve will crush those "additional" numbers.. so ehh, whatever. Keefe Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver72 Posted March 25, 2005 Author Share Posted March 25, 2005 Well, I'm not sure they put wider tires on the EVO 9 but I doubt that would affect or "crush" 10 additional hp. They did do other revisions as well: Better Aerodynamics Slightly lighter wheels New Spark plugs Larger turbo (apparently gives 5% less lag too) And they added MIVEC (they're VTEC) which should give more power throughout. Oh, and they improved the 5 speed manuals gear ratios. I'm betting the EVO 9 is at least .2 tenths quicker to 60 and .3 tenths and 2 mph faster in the 1/4. I'm sure they improved the handling a bit too, along with the high speed stability. It's probably still not nearly as liveable as a daily driver as the STI...but I'd still hope Subaru would counter with more power in the 06 STI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellivnad Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 I'm not a fan of the new front bumper, think the 8 looked much better. JDM 9 also got a new rear bumper, USDM didn't. Mivec supposedly made a "noticable" change throughout the revs so I'm anxious to see some dynos and 1/4 mile times. Supposedly 07 should see the Evo X, which will be a completely new car, new chasis and engine, wait and see I guess. .o0O0o. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver72 Posted March 26, 2005 Author Share Posted March 26, 2005 Well, with the change to the EVO 9 for 2006 and mild redesign and updated engine and such, I doubt Mitsu will come out with a completely new car (EVO X) just one year after that. I'd bet more like 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatV8 Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Think it's a bit lame for them to call it the EVO 9 with just minor changes but anyways... have you guys seen this yet: 10 more hp 3 more ft-lbs torque Subaru BETTER make the 06 STI come with at least 10 more HP and TQ and make some other mods if it wants to keep up with this new EVO http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=105130?tid=edmunds.h..insideline.promo.2g.*#16 That is how they work the versions, minor upgrade gets a new version. EVO I II III all looked simular, IV V VI simular, VII VIII IX etc... Same with STi, version 1 2 3 4 5 6 all the same basicly, 7 was bug eye now 8 is current, 9 is just coming out in japan... next gen impreza will be 10. They match version for version with mitsubishi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpawnGT Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Evo is a 2.0 turbo, and sti is a 2.5 turbo...how are they contenders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellivnad Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Evo is a 2.0 turbo, and sti is a 2.5 turbo...how are they contenders? Both are highly developed, rally inspired, 4 cylinder, turbocharged, all wheel drive sport sedans. Everywhere else in the world the STi is 2.0 liter as well. The STi has a slight hp/tq advantage but otherwise they are very well matched. .o0O0o. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitestar Pilot Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Both are highly developed, rally inspired, 4 cylinder, turbocharged, all wheel drive sport sedans. Everywhere else in the world the STi is 2.0 liter as well. The STi has a slight hp/tq advantage but otherwise they are very well matched. In terms of performance. But in terms of quality... I'd take the STI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 If they made a wagon version like suby does for all of their models...i probly woulda gone mitsu. My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legandrex Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 The foglights are hideous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 I don't think Subaru needs to one-up Mitsu for every model change. Mitsu is in financial troubles and many an EVO owner has been denied warranty coverage for little reason. Seems like a gamble at best (at least in the US) to buy an EVO. Before I read up on some of the issues, I tried to decide between the STi and an EVO. Once I did, it wasn't hard from an ownership standpoint to make the decision. Very few people in this country look at what the Brits call TCO - Total Cost of Ownership. Basically, what it costs to acquire the car, insure it, run it, maintain it, etc minus resale at 5 years old. Subaru wins that comparison hands down. Who cares if it is a tick slower in the 1/4 or on the track if you are using the car as a daily driver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 The foglights are hideous. Those aren't foglights. Did you read the article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellivnad Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 I don't think Subaru needs to one-up Mitsu for every model change. Mitsu is in financial troubles and many an EVO owner has been denied warranty coverage for little reason. Seems like a gamble at best (at least in the US) to buy an EVO. Before I read up on some of the issues, I tried to decide between the STi and an EVO. Once I did, it wasn't hard from an ownership standpoint to make the decision. Very few people in this country look at what the Brits call TCO - Total Cost of Ownership. Basically, what it costs to acquire the car, insure it, run it, maintain it, etc minus resale at 5 years old. Subaru wins that comparison hands down. Who cares if it is a tick slower in the 1/4 or on the track if you are using the car as a daily driver? What factor caused the Subie to win hands down? My guess is the resale. When I went shopping for my evo I had a long list of other cars as well. Cost wise I could get it without a big markup, insurance wise even a regular wrx was more expensive, gas consumption is quite a bit better than the STi, now scheduled maintenance is free for 3 years and the warranty is almost twice as long as the subie. When I had my evo things DID get covered under warranty (except for my clutch! , but I guess thats to be expected, the dealer themselves did cover half of the cost though) .o0O0o. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Well, I just looked at the latest figures on TCO from Edmunds, and I stand corrected. At the time I was looking a year and a half ago, it wasn't that way. I guess the horror stories about dealer's denying the warranty is what shifted my focus to Subaru. As for warranty coverage: Subaru Basic: 3 yr. / 36,000 mi. Drivetrain: 5 yr. / 60,000 mi. Roadside: 3 yr. / 36,000 mi. Rust: 5 yr. / Unlimited mi. Mitsubishi Basic: 5 yr. / 60,000 mi. Drivetrain: 10 yr. / 100,000 mi. Roadside: 3 yr. / 36,000 mi. Rust: 7 yr. / 100,000 mi. Everyone cross your fingers and hope that Mitsu makes it through their current financial difficulties to honor what they say they will. A bankruptcy makes this null and void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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