scoobiedude Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I searched and did not get the answer i was looking for, so, how safe and relilable are the Cobb OTS maps for stage 1 and 2? Meaning, is it going to blow up compared to the stock tune. By the way the car is an 09 GT. I will be at stage 1 for about 6 to 8 months, then go stage 2, when i have the money for parts, and a protune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnguyenbb6 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Not very safe IMO. When I logged a Cobb Stage 2 on my car, I saw knock in multiple places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God help me Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Stage 1 IMHO is perfectly safe, Stage 2 not going to blow you up but i would look into a protune or something alone those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobiedude Posted July 22, 2009 Author Share Posted July 22, 2009 I am going to get a protune after I go to Stage 2. But i didn't want to spend $300 on a protune for stage 1 when i am only going to be at it for about 6 months or so. just wanted to be sure cobb stage 1 maps were going to be ok for a while. Or maybe I should get and E-tune form TDC or PDX? just to be sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbone Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 You can answer that question yourself by datalogging the car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNVAR Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 on a completely stock car (intake and exhaust bone stock), i logged both the 91 octane stage 1 map, as well as the 93 octane stage 1 map. both were logged using 93 octane fuel from BP. both exhibited knock in multiple places. the 93 octane map knocked more than the 91 octane map. i mistakenly believed that when i switched to the 91 octane map that the knock went away (see my thread - http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116672) today, i went out to my car to pull a learning view screenshot and discovered some learned knock in the middle range load in the 3-4.5K RPM range after having driven about 200 miles total since my last reset. i didn't bother taking a screenshot, but instead, i'm experimenting with something. i did a full reflash using a 91 octane map instead of just pushing a "realtime" 91 octane on top of my 93 base map. we'll see what happens this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subleg05gt Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I am going to get a protune after I go to Stage 2. But i didn't want to spend $300 on a protune for stage 1 when i am only going to be at it for about 6 months or so. just wanted to be sure cobb stage 1 maps were going to be ok for a while. Or maybe I should get and E-tune form TDC or PDX? just to be sure? 300 bucks from where? i got mine from TDC for 100 and PDX does it for 150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous1 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 300 bucks from where? i got mine from TDC for 100 and PDX does it for 150 That is not a protune, those would be in most cases OTS maps. To the OP: Go opensource Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddoc Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 So by the sounds of this thread... with my TBE. I should stop running my OTS Cobb Stg 2 and get tuned ASAP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolksey85 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I wouldn't say ASAP but for the best insurance and most power, a protune is preferred. OTS will be fine until you find a tuner of choice as long as it's logged and looking fine. Edit: Welcome aboard, fellow local PA member! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercury3545 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 So what if you dont live anywhere close to any protuners? Would a map from TDC or PDX be better than the cobb map if you cant get a protune? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous1 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 So what if you dont live anywhere close to any protuners? Would a map from TDC or PDX be better than the cobb map if you cant get a protune? TDC definately not (IMHO) plus their not even around anymore, PDX possibly but it in alot of cases is still an OTS map. In my opinion the 07+ LGT's will not suffice with OTS mapping. I offer E-tuning done remotely to dial in the setup. This service is available for select AP users as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Legacy Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 So by the sounds of this thread... with my TBE. I should stop running my OTS Cobb Stg 2 and get tuned ASAP? Yes, dont listen to these guys, I giving this statement based on experience, 2 motors later and running catless with OTS Stg2 map I can say that it deff caused a plethora of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercury3545 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 TDC definately not (IMHO) plus their not even around anymore, PDX possibly but it in alot of cases is still an OTS map. In my opinion the 07+ LGT's will not suffice with OTS mapping. I offer E-tuning done remotely to dial in the setup. This service is available for select AP users as well. Well I live in Southern Missouri and we dont have a big Subaru following around here. Most people ask me if my car is a Saab. I guess im going to have to risk the cobb or PDX maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddoc Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Yes, dont listen to these guys, I giving this statement based on experience, 2 motors later and running catless with OTS Stg2 map I can say that it deff caused a plethora of problems. Yep I figured that... I grenaded my first WRX swap into my old 2.5RS due to lack of tuning. I hoped the OTS Stg 2 on Cobb would suffice...but, not. I wont be able to get it tuned until this weekend (so about 350 miles of driving)... think I'll be ok? PS...anyone want a Cobb AP V2? I'm going opensource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous1 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Well I live in Southern Missouri and we dont have a big Subaru following around here. Most people ask me if my car is a Saab. I guess im going to have to risk the cobb or PDX maps Guess you missed the part about me tuning remotely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercury3545 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Guess you missed the part about me tuning remotely Haha yea sorry I guess i missed that part. How do you tune remotely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubyShop.com Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Tuner makes a base map and sends it to you. You flash the map, log some pulls on the road, and send the results to the tuner. Tuner tweaks the map based on areas where it knocked, etc. Rinse and repeat. -Franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercury3545 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 sounds easy enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubyShop.com Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 If you don't have a fancy AP V2 you'll need a laptop and a cable to do the flashing and logging for open source. -Franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous1 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Tuner makes a base map and sends it to you. You flash the map, log some pulls on the road, and send the results to the tuner. Tuner tweaks the map based on areas where it knocked, etc. Rinse and repeat. -Franz Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Legacy Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Yep I figured that... I grenaded my first WRX swap into my old 2.5RS due to lack of tuning. I hoped the OTS Stg 2 on Cobb would suffice...but, not. I wont be able to get it tuned until this weekend (so about 350 miles of driving)... think I'll be ok? PS...anyone want a Cobb AP V2? I'm going opensource. what year is your car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddoc Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I have an 05 GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritas Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 If all I would looking for is Stage 1 and no farther, would a Protune be over the top? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostin1657615274 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Yes, dont listen to these guys, I giving this statement based on experience, 2 motors later and running catless with OTS Stg2 map I can say that it deff caused a plethora of problems. No. Don't listen to people who misuse Cobb's products and then blame Cobb. http://www.legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=77879&stc=1&d=1261092327 I hoped the OTS Stg 2 on Cobb would suffice...but, not. I wont be able to get it tuned until this weekend (so about 350 miles of driving)... think I'll be ok? PS...anyone want a Cobb AP V2? I'm going opensource. Don't believe everything you read on internet forums, especially from people who can't read instructions or haven't actually compared Cobb's maps to the stock maps. I know random people on internet forums claim to have logs of knock... but I can produce logs showing completely clean dyno runs and no knock using a leaned out Cobb OTS stage 2 map. You can't always trust random activity from a knock sensor. They can read knock if you rev in your driveway. The two problems people have with Cobb's tunes are 1) they lean out because they didn't follow the instructions and use the stock intake 2) they overboost because they didn't follow the instructions and use a catted downpipe I've said this before and I'll say it again. It is PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for your car to lean out with a Cobb stage 2 tune if you follow Cobb's instructions and your car doesn't have some outstanding mechanical problem. I say that because I've both looked at and actually used the Cobb maps as they were intended to be used, not because I repeated something I read on the internet. Follow the instructions, heed the precautions, and you'll be fine. I'm going to post these comparison maps again in an attempt to push back this tide of misinformation. These are for 05 but I doubt there are huge difference in later models. The Cobb 93 octane stage 2 maps are almost as rich as stock. And that's a lot of fuel. I have taken a Cobb stage 2 map and actually leaned it out on a Legacy with a full 3" exhaust, UP, one high flow cat. Here are the stock 05 fuel and timing tables. http://www.legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=77875&stc=1&d=1261091189 Here's the stage 2 93 octane fuel table compared to the stock fuel table. You can see that both are very rich, so rich you can smell gas out the back even if you have a cat. http://www.legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=77874&stc=1&d=1261091189 Cobb Stage 1 and Stage 2 (93 octane) basic timing map. Dynamic advance is unchanged from stock. http://www.legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=77876&stc=1&d=1261092232 Cobb stage 1 and stage 2 boost targets http://www.legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=77877&stc=1&d=1261091469 stage 1 and stage 2 wastegate duty cycles. I can post the stock maps for these if needed http://www.legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=77878&stc=1&d=1261091469 Cobb's tune is mild. The ignition advance is certainly not excessive if you put the correct octane in the tank. The fuel tuning is rich but still leaner than stock, and the boost control settings work within Cobb's specifications if you actually follow their instructions. Some people can't follow instructions though. There's not much I or anyone else can do about that. On the search for a new DD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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