lisn2me2 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 currently have endlinks front and rear, the adjustables ordered from AVO.... now they are set to the length of the stock ones. in two weeks when i install my swift springs do i shorten the endlinks equal to the lenght of the drop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 As close to the size of the drop as possible to maintain the dynamics. A little pre-load doesn't hurt but try to stay as close as possible (this from Paul at EVO IIRC). I ordered the adjustables because I'm going to be going initially with the stock struts and the Pinks and then with the GT Bilsteins and the Pinks SBT - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0032 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Do you have stock swaybars? I have ~17mm drop with Pinks and 20mm rear. The front endlink is the shortest possible. The rear is set about ½ way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTCanada Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 As close to the size of the drop as possible to maintain the dynamics. A little pre-load doesn't hurt but try to stay as close as possible (this from Paul at EVO IIRC). I ordered the adjustables because I'm going to be going initially with the stock struts and the Pinks and then with the GT Bilsteins and the Pinks SBT I have had the Pinks on stock struts for a few months. If you can swing it I would go straight to Bilsteins and Pinks. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meier motor sports Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 im not saying adjustable end links dont help... cause i dont know. but i dont see them helping much. sway bars are ment to move up and down freely. they are not bound the the vehicle any other way then bushings. i supose if u do a large suspension drop then u would need them. jsut my $0.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 im not saying adjustable end links dont help... cause i dont know. but i dont see them helping much. sway bars are ment to move up and down freely. they are not bound the the vehicle any other way then bushings. i supose if u do a large suspension drop then u would need them. jsut my $0.02 That is in general correct, but try and remove some endlinks when only one end of the car is off the ground, or with the car on the ground. There is quite a bit of load on the stabilizer bars even when on a level surface, and in the case of subaru's in general, subaru designed the stabilizers to play a significantly expanded role in the suspension than normal. I found this out with the twin turbo Legacy - replacing the endlinks with something a bit heftier and with a shorter arc to the pillow-ball ends significantly reduced dive and squat, decreasing the amount of free play before the swaybars started, well, stabilizing. Cheers, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com http://www.e-bacs.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meier motor sports Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 cool. sounds good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy05 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 So if I am reading this correctly, even if we have stock sway bars, if we do a drop we should change the endlinks??? To compensate for the drop??? I have the Ion-Sport springs on their way as we speak. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 So if I am reading this correctly, even if we have stock sway bars, if we do a drop we should change the endlinks??? To compensate for the drop??? I have the Ion-Sport springs on their way as we speak. Thanks That would be my recommendation. Are there any other experienced opinions on this one? SBT - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 When you are riding at stock height, the endlinks should be, theoretically, riding with a very light load on them. The ends are at a 90 degree angle to the toothpick middle, like this: — | — When you lower the car without adjusting the endlinks, you are placing them under pre-load - acting as if the car is cornering. This will not hurt your handling much as, in fact, it acts to firm it up because it has no "wait" period before the stabilizer bar keeps the car flat in a corner. Take the two 90 degree angled ends, though, and they are now angled inwards. The drawback is longevity - they were not designed for perpetual corner load. Stock endlinks can fail much more quickly when in this setup. How you drive will affect this as well. It also changes how the stabilizer bar works. This can be desireable in certain situations, such as for racing, or may not be, determined by the handling behaviour desired. Cheers, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com http://www.e-bacs.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy05 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 When you are riding at stock height, the endlinks should be, theoretically, riding with a very light load on them. The ends are at a 90 degree angle to the toothpick middle, like this: — | — When you lower the car without adjusting the endlinks, you are placing them under pre-load - acting as if the car is cornering. This will not hurt your handling much as, in fact, it acts to firm it up because it has no "wait" period before the stabilizer bar keeps the car flat in a corner. Take the two 90 degree angled ends, though, and they are now angled inwards. The drawback is longevity - they were not designed for perpetual corner load. Stock endlinks can fail much more quickly when in this setup. How you drive will affect this as well. It also changes how the stabilizer bar works. This can be desireable in certain situations, such as for racing, or may not be, determined by the handling behaviour desired. Cheers, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com http://www.e-bacs.com Thanks, last question then, so you would recommend then getting endlinks for both the front and the rear ... is it part number AVO26J for the front and the rear??? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unilat Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I've been wanting to ask an endlink question for awhile, and this thread kind of builds a foundation for it. My original question was if a "stouter" endlink, with no other changes from a stock setup would be of any benefit. Judging from this thread, I'm now thinking it would not. Now my question is whether preloading the swaybar with adjustable endlinks on an otherwise stock setup would be a benefit. The idea of controlling the body's motion sooner seems like it may cut down on some of the disconnected "floatiness" the car can exhibit (and related, will AVO bushings or the like take some squish out as well?). Also, once adjusted, will an adjustable endlink STAY adjusted, or do you have to check jam nuts (or other) on a regular basis? Sorry for the hijack and newbie questions. I'm still learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0032 Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 Now my question is whether preloading the swaybar with adjustable endlinks on an otherwise stock setup would be a benefit. The idea of controlling the body's motion sooner seems like it may cut down on some of the disconnected "floatiness" the car can exhibit (and related, will AVO bushings or the like take some squish out as well?). No but springs will Also, once adjusted, will an adjustable endlink STAY adjusted, or do you have to check jam nuts (or other) on a regular basis? Sorry for the hijack and newbie questions. I'm still learning. yes - Add some loc-tite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy05 Posted March 7, 2005 Share Posted March 7, 2005 Thanks, last question then, so you would recommend then getting endlinks for both the front and the rear ... is it part number AVO26J for the front and the rear??? Thanks! Bump ... just wanted this question answered, I'd rather order the endlinks now and have them here when my Ion springs show up ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted March 7, 2005 Share Posted March 7, 2005 Bump ... just wanted this question answered, I'd rather order the endlinks now and have them here when my Ion springs show up ... Yes, I would recommend getting the front and rear endlinks. The part numbers for the front and rear on a Legacy are the same. If you have an Outback, we have a separate part number and order for the rear, which takes a longer adjustable endlink. Cheers, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com http://www.e-bacs.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy05 Posted March 7, 2005 Share Posted March 7, 2005 Thanks Paul .. ordering One last question, how do you know what the endlinks should be set at once you install them with the springs???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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