arkadyzv Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 My LCA's are torn to shit, I have the extended Subaru warranty with $100 deductable. So I can either have the dealership replace them or I can spend about the same and upgrade to the AVO's. Also the stock ones might be on backorder . I would be doing the AVO's myself as I have a press .So my question is how much better are the AVO's over stock? Also I'm getting a vibration around the bottom front of the car, able to feel it on the gas pedal , can that be contributed to the LCA's or can it be something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turninconcepts Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 All your issues can be explained by the torn bushings. Have you looked at the Super Pro version? Exact same bushings in a different color for a little less. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkadyzv Posted October 8, 2008 Author Share Posted October 8, 2008 All your issues can be explained by the torn bushings. Have you looked at the Super Pro version? Exact same bushings in a different color for a little less. Tony I was under the assumption that the SuperPro's were discontinued. Are the aftermarket bushings sturdier than stock? My dealership just called me, they will get the bushings in end of this week. So its either pay 100 bucks and get it fixed, or pay about the same , install them or pay someone to install them but have a better fix in the end? Whats the exact reason the stock ones rip? My car only has 35k on it, as far as other bushings that I've done on my other cars it seems pretty ridiculous that these are already mangled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turninconcepts Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 They are definitely not discontinued. We just got 5 sets in on Monday. Super Pro was bought by Tein a couple years ago, maybe that's what you're thinking. Anyway, these are much stiffer than your stock bushings and are solid. The stock bushings only have two rubber tabs that connect the inner bushing to the metal sleeve that captures the piece in the control arm. Those two piece rip over time. the Super Pro bushing is a solid bushing bonded to a metal sleeve. This makes it much sturdier and more resistant to tearing over time. The way I see it, if you get a stock replacement, it's just going to rip again. Plus with the Super Pro bushing you will get a little more caster, which is a good thing. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie_coyote Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 My car didn't even have 1,000km on it when I replaced the rubbish LCA bushes with the Fulcrum (SuperPro) items. SuperPro are absoutely not owned by Tein and definitely not discontinued. Those products may be distributed by Tein in the USA, but they are made by a locally owned company (Fulcrum) here in Brisbane, Australia. Nice people to deal with too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turninconcepts Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Sorry, that's what I meant. They own the distribution rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark34 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Hey OP, I am having the same problem and doing this swap soon too and local. You have to look at which you are buying. Superpro offers a normal bushing (no offset) and an offset bushing for caster adjustment. I believe AVO only offers a caster adjustment bushing. Is your car lowered or was it lowered by the previous owner? That apparently beats the hell out of the stock bushings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbrudder Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 if i could do it over again i would have stayed stock, or got one w/o offset. i get a wierd clunking/rattle when doing sharp turns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Going w/out an offset would not have gotten ride of the clunk/rattle - all the offset does is add a bit a of caster in. Clunks and/or rattling is because something isn't done up tight, or the bushing popped out of the lower arm. Cheers, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbrudder Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what it is, I've looked serveral times for some thing loose, and checked/rechecked for evidence of the bushing popping out but found nothing. All I have to go off so far is... it started when I put those in and that is the only thing that was changed up there. I kinnda think it has some thing to do with the new angle of the tie rod or half shaft because the clunk/rattle only occurs when steering is at it's farthest extremes but I have not found any wear or rubmarks of any kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katalyst Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 if i could do it over again i would have stayed stock, or got one w/o offset. i get a wierd clunking/rattle when doing sharp turns. you know what, i'm experiencing the same thing. except my car is bone stock, i don' tknow what it is though??? at first it was more apparent when i was doing u-turns but now it seems like it's happening more frequently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkadyzv Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 Hey OP, I am having the same problem and doing this swap soon too and local. You have to look at which you are buying. Superpro offers a normal bushing (no offset) and an offset bushing for caster adjustment. I believe AVO only offers a caster adjustment bushing. Is your car lowered or was it lowered by the previous owner? That apparently beats the hell out of the stock bushings. Shoot me a pm when you do yours. I think I'm going to end up going aftermarket also, as the dealership still has yet to get a set of bushings in. If anything we can probably do them together if you'd like, as I have a 15ton press at home, air tools and would only probably need a ball joint puller which can be rented if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark34 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I'm just waiting to hear back from Turnin Concepts when the whiteline rca kit will be available so I can place my order. Since we will most likely require re-alignment after doing the bushings, I figure I will do those also. Hey Paul, do you guys have a zero offset bushing kit available? I only found the positive caster increase kit on your website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I don't have it here in stock, but I wager I may be able to have it shipped directly from Japan (which isn't as expensive as it sounds). Cheers, Paul Hansenhttp://www.avoturboworld.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Just to confirm, I can get them shipped directly out of Japan, takes about 3-5 days to arrive. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbrudder Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Are zero off set the same price? that sounds like the best was to go to me, the AVO bushings have great construction and seem very durable, I just don't know if changing the geometry was such a good idea ( I don't race, so i haven't really felt the benifit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Zero offset are indeed the same price. Cheers, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LGT-NY Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 No offense to AVO, but I have the Perrin PSRS bushings and I LOVE them! They really increase steering stability, response & braking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onesillyracer Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 just out of curiosity, what are the telltale signs of a damaged bushing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LGT-NY Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 LCA play, thud when hitting bumps and deterioration that can be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkadyzv Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 No offense to AVO, but I have the Perrin PSRS bushings and I LOVE them! They really increase steering stability, response & braking. Ended up taking your advice and buying the Perrin's, any advice on the install? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LGT-NY Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Yes, get them professionally pressed in for sure. Unfortunately, this is not the DIY type of install. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onesillyracer Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 coming to the fudd's meet tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkadyzv Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 Yes, get them professionally pressed in for sure. Unfortunately, this is not the DIY type of install. Lets hope you're wrong lol. I have a press, and just need to rent a ball joint puller and it should be fine. I've done all the suspension bushings in my rx7 so I'm hoping I can manage, I think as long as the balljoint doesn't play its bitch card then it should be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LGT-NY Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 GL, please post an update when it's complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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