jonklein611 Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 So I go to leave campus today, go to start my Legacy up. It burps once (it felt like I had just let off the starter a second too early), so i went to turn it over again. Starter makes the usual sounds, but it the engine wont get above like 2 rpm and won't start. I tried jumping it, but no luck. Anyone have any other ideas? It's a 1996 Legacy Wagon L 2.2L. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FletchLives Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 If your battery/starter are cranking normally, but the motor just wont fire, it could be a broken timing belt. How many miles do you have and has the timing belt ever been replaced?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 or the starter motor took a crap. Check all the big wires going to and from the starter. They can come loose and the starter won't have the oomph it needs My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdubs Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Check the timing belt to see if its still there. Facing the car with the hood up, staring at the engine, look to your right above the belts, and there's a plastic cover there with a screw. Just take off the top screw on the cover, and it'll give you just enough space to see if the belt is around the wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivwarrior Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 it could be a whole host of things. fuel pump, coilpack, timing belt, cam/crank sensors.... pull a plug wire off a coil terminal. hold a screw driver with the shaft against a ground (like the block) and the time NEAR the terminal. have someone crank the car. do you have spark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonklein611 Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share Posted March 31, 2007 OK here's an update of the things i've checked. Engine is getting fuel Engine is getting a spark (did a test with screwdriver and such) I have not checked the timing belt yet, the car has 141,000 miles on it, I know we changed the belt once, not sure of at what milage we did it at. My dad and I think the starter (its a referb unit) took a dump, cause it will act fine for a few start tries then it makes a god awful sound. Either that or its timing. Thanks for the quick replies, with the added info, any other ideas? Also for clarification, I don't think it's a sensor of any type because that would trigger a Check Engine light, which I do not get. ~ Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 The timing belt is supposed to be changed every 60,000 miles on the 2.2L engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonklein611 Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share Posted March 31, 2007 The timing belt is supposed to be changed every 60,000 miles on the 2.2L engine. Prob a good chance that's the reason.... Stupid maint schedule... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLegacy99 Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Prob a good chance that's the reason.... Stupid maint schedule... Yeah Im 13,000 miles away from mine. 105,000 intervals on the 2.5L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonklein611 Posted April 1, 2007 Author Share Posted April 1, 2007 Update #2 changed plugs and starter, checked the timing belt, it's ok. Any other ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 teeth broke off flywheel? My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meier motor sports Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 the belt could still be on but it may have jumped time. but based on the description sound like a starter issue or a flywheel issue. pull the starter and have some one manualy turn the engine via the crank bolt and a socket and wrench while you inspect the teeth on the ring gear (what the starter engages into) edit. you said sometimes it acts ok. when its ok, does it start and run fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonklein611 Posted April 2, 2007 Author Share Posted April 2, 2007 That was the old starter, which got replaced. I have to check the belt fully. But the belt would spin with the starter. so it's def still intact. Could have possibly gone out of time, but I don't see how. Might be a short or something, I think its time to get it towed to the shop. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meier motor sports Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 what does it do currently with the new parts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonklein611 Posted April 2, 2007 Author Share Posted April 2, 2007 The same thing, the starter turn the engine over, there's def gas flowing, but it never catches, just keeps turning around and around. I'm going to check the values of the coilpack tomorrow and see if thats up to spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meier motor sports Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 in that case it could be a sliped timing belt. there could be a few teeth off of the belt and when the crank get to that part it slips and re catches so you see it as its turning but its really not even in time. if there is a front cover to pull i would pull that next. you said you had spark so why would u check the coil packs? they are obviously working. edit it could also be a cam sensor or crank sensor. if either one goes the engine will not know where the piston is at any givin time and not be able to fire the spark plug correctly. but then you would not get the coils firing either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonklein611 Posted April 2, 2007 Author Share Posted April 2, 2007 Yeah that's what it's looking like, prob a skipped timing issue. I'm getting it towed to a shop, and we'll see what they find. Thanks for all the pointers. Idk what I would do without this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meier motor sports Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 probably cry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonklein611 Posted April 3, 2007 Author Share Posted April 3, 2007 Yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meier motor sports Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 hey does it sound like it has compression at all or does it crank sorta fast and sound like its not doing anything? i had a contour come in the complaint was starts and drives 5 feet and dies. i get to it and it cranks with no sound of compression. just kinda wherring. it skiped time. for the cust it probably would start and run like crap. then die with any sort of load on the engine. when i got it, it skiped more time and plain wont run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonklein611 Posted April 4, 2007 Author Share Posted April 4, 2007 It just turns and turns and turns. One thing thats pointing to skipped timing, is when I pulled the cover off the timing belt. There was rubber dust coating the thing, so it's pointing more and more to timing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD_RTC Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 haha ur like norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MethaneMS Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 Did you check the belt for cracks and everything? I know that was the reason why my 95 suby jumped several teeth and started misfiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonklein611 Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share Posted April 16, 2007 Actually I got it back from the shop, so all is well now!!! :-D The bolt that holds in the hydraulic adjuster in sheared off. So they had to drill that out, changed the belt, tensioner, and the adjuster. But she runs like a dream now. thanks for everyone's help. ~ jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meier motor sports Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 ah so it was a belt! thanks for the update. i have a 1990 legacy up on my rack that i think skiped time. i need aproval for another 1.5 hours to continue tearing the car down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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