dv8ingvector Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 that i did not know...knew the vue got one and assumed the other redlines lucked out to...have a buddy with a viggen and that is quick! but i want to say it is a 2.3t and way more then a Saturn...still think i would go with the neon though...cost to benefit analysis that and i have ownd a Saturn; was not impressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Monkey Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Again, I don't see why anywould would ever question it. Teh SRT-4 is fastAr!!1 Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT Ski Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Bah, if I was fresh out of College I'd save some cash and go for broke by getting a Black LGT Wagon... Oh wait, I just did that :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADirtyLegacy Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Buying a used WRX for the same price knowing how most WRX drivers (or is it subaru drivers in general?) use and "abuse" their cars is a good decision? Somehow I tend to think not... Kenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDubbs Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 The dunlop sp 9000s were a popular choice with the money conscious 2.5RS crowd in 98/99. Good tire for the money then and should still be today. No, the name has nothing to do with bragging about 20 inch wheels... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Angus Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 its only a matter of time until some of the ion redline guys out there start talk smack...but then again, it's probably already began, and i was too busy still admiring the beauty that is the leg. i'll take the build quality of the LGT over the redline anyday.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitestar Pilot Posted November 11, 2004 Author Share Posted November 11, 2004 We still haven't raced, but here's a little update. Last night, my friend's Ion was parked at an arcade around midnight, and some idiot 16-year-old girl side-swiped his PARKED CAR while backing out of the parking spot next to him! He has some minor scrapage on the lower rear-quarter panel now. Man would I be steamed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4 Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 And that sir, is why you don't park near civilization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Angus Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 i wouldnt worry about beating him. it appears that those crazy ion RL's are just full of quirks. oh, and have transmission issues at least with the '04's. anyway, let us know who gets the win, whenever you guys have a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommyh Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 [font=Times New Roman][size=3]I had to take my SCCA STS class ’97 Saturn SC2 autocrosser to the dealer (the closest shop that I actually trust) to troubleshoot its lack-of-starting problem. While there, I decided to take a good look at the ION Red Line and see if I could take one out for a test drive, they had 4 sitting either in the showroom or on the lot, a crying shame. I had to take the sales guy with me, and it is a personal challenge for me to get the poor souls face to go white. I beat that little car unmercifully. Red-headed-stepchildren felt sorry for it. The sales guy stumbled out of the car breathless, glad to be back on solid ground and possibly sporting a few more white hairs. You know what? That car took everything I did and begged for more. Asking for a track, open highway, back road, parking lot, full tank of gas and warm tires. Its power delivery was spot on and massive, handling was taut, minimal body roll, and it’s lithe on its feet. It only stumbled once, in a sharp left-right transition with a downshift and WOT the open differential became apparent as the left tire scrambled for traction, but not until then or after. Oh, and supposedly it has a CD/radio too, but I wouldn’t know. This car is a monster! I want one in addition to my LGT! It doesn’t help my case that the dealer keeps finding money to throw at me to take it off their hands. If I had the money I would replace my SC2 with this freak of the open road. People who will love and flog this car like a masochistic mistress need to buy it and treat it like the bad boy it is.[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3][/size][/font] [color=black][size=3][font=Times New Roman]While it does have less power it has a better power to weight ratio than a stock SRT-4 does, with the S/C it has no turbo lag, and it does have better suspension dynamics. This will allow more negative camber to be set making this a much better autocrosser and road racer. So, yes the SRT-4 does post better 1/4-mile times, but drag racing isn't the only racing.[/font][/size][/color] [color=black][size=3][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/size][/color] [size=3][font=Times New Roman][color=black]I don't live my life a quarter mile at a time.[/color][color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman][/font][/size] Martin Luther - "Who loves not women, wine and song remains a fool his whole life long." EL4NFZT7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dv8ingvector Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 i really want to drive one now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepFreeze2 Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 I test drove a couple of the Ion Red Lines before I bought my Leg. Not to dog them, but I preferred something roomier and a little more......upscale, dare I say. Imo, the dash needs to be "freshened up", but I thought they looked pretty good and really didn't drive too bad either. YA RLY!!! Home of +2500 useless posts!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dv8ingvector Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 oh yeah they have the gauges in the center dont they...i knew there was a big reason i havent driven one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommyh Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 [color=black]My opinion is that the Red Line is in a completely different category than the Legacy and thus allowances and differences can be made. The ION Red Line should be comp aired to the SRT-4, Focus SVT, Civic SI, VW GTI and other hopped up economy cars, not the Legacy GT. It's just apples and oranges then.[/color] [color=black] [/color] [color=black]Oh, and you actually get used to the center mount gauges relatively easily, if your open minded to it.[/color] Martin Luther - "Who loves not women, wine and song remains a fool his whole life long."Â EL4NFZT7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dv8ingvector Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 there is my problem lol...yeah i would put it in a diferent catogary as well...i was thinking more for my mother if she wanted to traid in her cs2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Angus Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 [quote name='Tommyh'][color=black]My opinion is that the Red Line is in a completely different category than the Legacy and thus allowances and differences can be made. The ION Red Line should be comp aired to the SRT-4, Focus SVT, Civic SI, VW GTI and other hopped up economy cars, not the Legacy GT. It's just apples and oranges then.[/color] [color=black] [/color] [color=black]Oh, and you actually get used to the center mount gauges relatively easily, if your open minded to it.[/color][/QUOTE] how about this: the chevy cobalt ss - which is built on the delta platform in which the saturn ion was the first to be built on, starts at $24,995. Thats around the same price you're looking at with a manual gearbox LGT. they share the same motor, however supposedly the trannies are different, as the ones on the RL's have issues. the cobalt is a little shorter, and comes with a couple more amenities. point being, in terms of price range, it's in 'competition' with the leg. however, having had a roomate who adores caviliers, being in one, as well as being in several other chevies, i'll take the suby over the cobalt any day. it's apparent just by build quality alone. his '91 and '94 cav's interiors were just plain cheap. my girlfriend's malibu, though slightly better in quality, still feels cheap. my brother in law's decked out tahoe, is somewhat decent. chevy could have a great product on their hands, they just seem to stop short with the quality of their interiors. plus, at the same price point, you're getting AWD with the LGT. anyway, i'm rambling.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dv8ingvector Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 the ion has the ecotech motor...there will be some sick mods for those...they have a drag one pushing 1300hp out of boosted 2.0L...granted we will never see that power but it shows they mean busies...GM is trying to make that "the new small block" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Angus Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 [quote name='dv8ingvector']the ion has the ecotech motor...there will be some sick mods for those...they have a drag one pushing 1300hp out of boosted 2.0L...granted we will never see that power but it shows they mean busies...GM is trying to make that "the new small block"[/QUOTE] hopefully they wont have the same issues this guy has been having [url]http://ionredline.com/showthread.php?t=265[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dv8ingvector Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 [QUOTE] '91 and '94 cav's interiors were just plain cheap. my girlfriend's malibu, though slightly better in quality, still feels cheap. my brother in law's decked out tahoe, is somewhat decent. chevy could have a great product on their hands, they just seem to stop short with the quality of their interiors. plus, at the same price point, you're getting AWD with the LGT.[/QUOTE]that reminded me... I went to a manufactures auto show in Boston a week ago and was all excited when i saw the CTSV the 4dr caddy with the vet drive train "i am a sucker for fast family cars" can't you tell...anyway it's MSRP is around 50k...well i sh*t you not a base model civic has a better built interior...this was so full of hard black monotone plastic i got mad sitting in it...you would have to be a shmuck to buy that instead of a BMW used to be a huge GM fan but man are they slacking [QUOTE]hopefully they wont have the same issues this guy has been having[/QUOTE] heh i would not hold my breath for a good high HP capable manual FWD tranny from GM. i bet they just borrow from the auto Aurora/Caddy technology for the application but they have always been more about drag then autoX or rally...i guess we will see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Angus Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 [quote name='dv8ingvector']that reminded me... I went to a manufactures auto show in Boston a week ago and was all excited when i saw the CTSV the 4dr caddy with the vet drive train "i am a sucker for fast family cars" can't you tell...anyway it's MSRP is around 50k...well i sh*t you not a base model civic has a better built interior...this was so full of hard black monotone plastic i got mad sitting in it...you would have to be a shmuck to buy that instead of a BMW used to be a huge GM fan but man are they slacking heh i would not hold my breath for a good high HP capable manual FWD tranny from GM. i bet they just borrow from the auto Aurora/Caddy technology for the application but they have always been more about drag then autoX or rally...i guess we will see...[/QUOTE] they actually had a 270 hp cobalt ss at SEMA. as for trying to keep those cheap ass tires planted to the ground, they're either including, or making available an LSD. its nice to see the engine get somewhat of a boost in performance, but the cobalt still looks plain and uninspired. the RL looks a little better than it, but i dont know how i'd feel about driving a piece of plastic around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dv8ingvector Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 sounds like it will need it lol was it a standard or auto cobalt at SEMA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Monkey Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Great...a whole slew of SRT-4 wannabes is all we need now...:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Angus Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 [quote name='Drift Monkey']Great...a whole slew of SRT-4 wannabes is all we need now...:lol:[/QUOTE] funny you mention that, because at the cobalt forums, they were talking aboot trying to make peace with the srt-4 boys and form an alliance to go out there and smoke imports. if by imports they mean honda civics, then they can have their little clubs. but i highly doubt stock for stock that an srt-4 or a cobalt ss will be handing say a lotus elise, or ferrari it's ass anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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