TSiWRX Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 What I meant is that among people who do own expensive RDs (escort/V1) - a lot of them would step up for a better product, if it's the same name + stealth... True, but still, the problem remains - that market, itself, is very small, and the question then becomes whether or not the "big name" companies can justify/recoup their R&D, legal, as well as marketing costs. Certainly, I'd imagine that if such units are priced as a $100, or even $200 added-cost accessory, there'd be a market (albeit limited as it is), but if the item steps over the $300 bound, I would imagine that there would be tremendous attrition. Look simply at how many (or few) people have even opted to spend the extra $75 to $100 for what used to be called "the Lifespeed mod" (there's quite a few people doing this, now) for the V1's remote display. Laser jammers are whole different story - the effectivness and legality of it is very questionable. Together with very high price - that'll give you low sales... It's not fair example. I disagree, I think it is a fair comparison. In terms of effectiveness, today's top-flight jammers - the Laser Interceptor, AntiLaser, and Laser ProPark can and will effectively "Jam to Gun" and even "Jam from Gun." This has been proven repeatedly and by many, many independent sources. For those who are able to spend the money on this kind of protection, it's proven to work, and work flawlessly, particularly here in the States, where eliciting jam-codes is a no-consequence issue. This reason in and of itself should not impact the current comparison. Speaking purely of effectiveness-of-product in its designated roles, the top-flight jammers' performances are outstanding. Even if we were to totally discount their jamming capability, it can still be said that the top-flight jammers' performance, purely in terms of laser reception/detection (and even in terms of false rejection), is easily as good as - if not outright MUCH better than - anything that the current crop of top-flight detectors could provide. In terms of legality, with the exception of those areas which explicitly disallow the jammers, their operation is fully legal - it's only the grey-area of "interference/obstruction" that comes into play, and so far, there has yet to be a single case of trouble with this concern in the States. As long as one practices good discipline and technique, this is not going to be an issue, since all of today's Stateside police LIDAR guns can and will give spurious error-code readings even during normal operation. The exact nature of the products are not comparable - I totally agree with you on that - but in terms of cost as well as specialization, I think that they very much serve as valid models for each other. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlad_b Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 After getting two laser tickets in a row I wanted to get a jammer, and started reading... And when 50% of info is positive, the other 50% is saying exactly opposite. Like some tests show no effect whatsoever from using the jammer. That, combined with price, and simple fact that laser beam is narrow and might very well miss the sensor completely... Resulted in my decision against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 ^ I'm not sure where you're reading, nor regarding which active jammers you're speaking of, but rest-assured that today's top-flight laser-diode based jammers do not fit any such disappointing scenario. Search for the Laser Interceptor, Laser ProPark, or AntiLaser. All of these products are *highly* effective, and can protect a vehicle of our size - especially the frontal aspect - with two heads dedicated to that area. You'll get JTG results, for sure. If rear-on enforcement is a problem in your area or typical routes-of-travel, you'll want to consider, strongly, a dual-head Laser Interceptor setup. It's specifically-designed-for-this-scenario optics configuration will give superior performance versus either the AntiLaser or Laser ProPark on this particular aspect of the vehicle. However, it can be said with relative certainty that if you do devote two AL or LPP heads to this aspect of our LGTs, with due-consideration for proper head placement, you'll more than likely obtain true JFG protection as well. Yes, the previous-generation (as well as current) LED-based jammers - and even some of the diode-based jammers - didn't offer true JTG/JFG protection, but such technical limitations are no longer a consideration. True, the laser-diode based jammers are more expensive, but compared cost-for-cost, with the need to utilize at least some form of synergistic passive-protection with the LED-based jammers, the diode-based jammers honestly are not cost-prohibitive, and will provide both more comprehensive as well as "better" protection, without the aesthetic impact that using various passive protective means may entail. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlad_b Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 I did my research few years ago. At that time none of the jammers offered reliable protection under 500ft. And I got nailed both times from <500ft. It looks like technology moved forward since than. But I wasn't able to find place to buy LI online. Very strange... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 ^ Understood - yes, a couple of years ago, anything that qualified as "short range" engagements (then, appx. 500 ft., but now, that's lessened to < 300 ft.) made for a tough time, with the LED-based jammers. Even the few diode-based jammers then-available (the Lidatek, and, depending on exactly when you did your research, as well as again in relation to the issue we're about to undertake discussion below, the previous generations of the AntiLaser), may not have conferred full protection, depending on the particular hardware you faced. Technology, indeed, has come a long way. In so far as the Laser Interceptor, currently, it's only available as a "gray-market" product. This actually also extends to the AntiLaser, and even in-degree to the Laser ProPark. While the Laser ProPark does enjoy the support of two true resellers/distributorships here in North America (there's a Canadian group, as well as a true Stateside group), it is still not a "100% by-the-books" legal-import item. It's, what I like to call, a "lighter shade of gray." As for the AntiLaser or the Laser Interceptor, neither have true-direct Stateside support. The AntiLaser is a through country-of-origin product only, and requires individual import as well as brokering. The Laser Interceptor, while it certainly can be obtained this way, also does have a gray-market US-based reseller, who deals, mainly, in cash currency. [ Returning to our discussion above, it is highly possible that you did not see the AntiLaser on your previous product search, as they were, at that time, very much also on this "gray-market" status, and only known by true enthusiasts/hobbyists. ] Neither of these details, though, should detract you from pursuing these products based on either their performance (which is light-years, if you'll pardon the pun, ahead of the LED-based products from either Blinder, including the new M25/M45, or Escort - or the residual/secondary diode-based products) or durability/reliability and customer-service. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimm Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 Well I got my custom mount in today for the radar detector. You can see in the photos how it is mounted. I did my best to get the thing level and pointed straight ahead. I am sure there is some tweeking to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 Looks verrrrry nice!!!! Almost appears OEM - and I like how closely it hugs the bottom of the RVM. Very nice! <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimm Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 Yeah, I was a little concerned about the rear looking sensor being able to "see" backwards but if you look from the rear of the car you can see it quite clearly. I really like having it mounted this way. It is considerably less obvious to the passerby that it is there. It is legal to have RD's in WA but it is nice not to have it suction cupped to the windsheild with a cord hanging down screaming "I am probably speeding, pull me over!" If anyone is interested in the mount I can PM you the email address of the guys who makes them (no website:() Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Yeah, I was a little concerned about the rear looking sensor being able to "see" backwards but if you look from the rear of the car you can see it quite clearly. Doh! I forgot to get back to this thread - my apologies! I'm very glad that the rear laser sensor is still uncovered, that's a good thing, and hopefully, with the detector centrally-mounted and low enough to actually have a decent view out of the rear windscreen, you'll have some detection of rear incoming LIDAR. However, don't count on this as a "for sure." Because of the very, very small optics of this particular design as well as because it is so far "in-vehicle," it is rather unlikely that you'll get good rear laser detection. Hopefully, though, luck and odds will both be on your side, as currently, there are only very few areas here in the US that practice rear-on enforcement. <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detslider Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 So a 10 amp fuze should be enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemo Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Det, what do you have? The escort uses a 2 amp fuse. If you don't vote Trump, out, you're a bigot who hates america. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detslider Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Beltronics RX65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detslider Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I had to wake this thread up!! I have a 8500 X50 and I can't find any store (Radio Shack, etc...) who sells the cord (phone style) that will allow me to hard wire it to the fuse box. Anyone know where to get one besides Passport/Escort? I bought mine at Wal-Mart but Radio Shack should deffinetly have a phone cord. Wal-Mart also had a phone cord that was super slim, made to be easily hidden, so it would probably be easier to stuff behild the pillar if your going to the fuse box. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2462633&cp=2032052.2032075.2032077.2032092&parentPage=family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eb50 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 bestbuy sells the direct hardware smart cord for the x50. its 30$ http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=smartcord&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eb50 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Yeah, I was a little concerned about the rear looking sensor being able to "see" backwards but if you look from the rear of the car you can see it quite clearly. I really like having it mounted this way. It is considerably less obvious to the passerby that it is there. It is legal to have RD's in WA but it is nice not to have it suction cupped to the windsheild with a cord hanging down screaming "I am probably speeding, pull me over!" If anyone is interested in the mount I can PM you the email address of the guys who makes them (no website:() zimm - how much was that mount? i am interested in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimm Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 zimm - how much was that mount? i am interested in it. PM'ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detslider Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I'm also curious to hear about the mount. Anyway, I just finished hardwiring my RD, I hacked apart an extra power cord I had. I cut off the post that feeds into the cigarette lighter and just retained the circuit board box. I then unsoldered the coiled cord from the board, and soldered on a straight telephone cord with a kill switch spliced in. Stuck the remote and kill switch in the ash tray, drilled a hole in the back so the wires can run under the dash, up the A-pillar and headlined to come down by the mirror. Yes, I know that many of you have enjoyed simple installs by tapping into the power at the mirror but since I don't have a power mirror that wasn't an option. Even if it was though that wouldn't have allowed me to use a remote so i wouldn't have considered it. Yes I know there is a smart cord available for hardwiring but it is not sold locally so I would have had to order it. I didn't want to wait and had an extra coiled cord here. Pictures to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyan Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 my caliper is at a buddy's house... is our mirror mounting shaft 3/4" diameter? Mike SoCal Duck Hunters Club - Unit 52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eb50 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 my caliper is at a buddy's house... is our mirror mounting shaft 3/4" diameter? Mike from what i am finding online, the homelink mirror is 23mm or .9" i dunno about stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimm Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I am reluctant to post the prices for the mount here as I am not the one selling it and I do not know if the guy who makes these has changed prices since I got mine. I can send you his email address if you PM me and ask for it. As for the mirror stalk size, I think 0.9" sounds right for the homelink mirror. If I remember correctly the stock mirror has a 0.75" stalk. The guy can make a mount for any size stalk, you just need to measure and email him. It is kinda funny, this guy just made one of these mounts for himself for his 350Z and it has spread like wildfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyan Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 No worries zimm... btw, thanks for reply pm a few months back. Finally getting around to it now Mike SoCal Duck Hunters Club - Unit 52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim1969 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 http://www.countryjoycrafts.com/ConnectorForRadarDetector.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eb50 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I am reluctant to post the prices for the mount here as I am not the one selling it and I do not know if the guy who makes these has changed prices since I got mine. I can send you his email address if you PM me and ask for it. As for the mirror stalk size, I think 0.9" sounds right for the homelink mirror. If I remember correctly the stock mirror has a 0.75" stalk. The guy can make a mount for any size stalk, you just need to measure and email him. It is kinda funny, this guy just made one of these mounts for himself for his 350Z and it has spread like wildfire. You might not feel comfortable posting prices and his email addy, but this guy didnt =) http://myg37.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2248722&postcount=104 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimm Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Yeah, well, I just didn't want to be broadcasting his email all over creation for spammers to pick up and, like I said, he may have changed his prices since I last spoke with him. Either way, it is a very good unit at a great price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eb50 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 i emailed and he responded within 48hrs. price has not changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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