Saab story

[GTTuner]

Has anyone seen the "Borne from Jets" ads running from Saab?

 

Give me a break, the only thing these things have in common with jets are washer jets from GM cars! GM has inundated the Saab line with Opel platforms and GM engines. No wonder they don't sell.

 

What ever happened to 'truth in advertising"? I hate Ford for this. Example; The Mustang GT 5.0 was NEVER a 5.0L engine. It is and always was a 4.9. In 1996, the 4.9 was rated at 220bhp. Two years later, after some lawsuits, it was changed to 205bhp. Then when the Cobra 32 valve 4.9 was originally rated for 335bhp. Well, they had to recall all of them because owners were getting spanked by VTEC Hondas. They recalled them and had to install new cams and intake set ups to get closer to the rated hp.

 

Point is, we live in a a world where a Saab could be a Subaru, or a Mazda a Ford, or a Chrysler a Mitsubishi, or a Mitsubishi a Chrysler, or a Chevrolet a Toyota or Suzuki, or a Honda that is an Isuzu, and on and on. I feel bad for unsuspecting consumers.

 

Truth in advertising is DEAD. I'll stick with my Subaru made in the USA. +

 

THANK God GM sold off it's shares of Fuji this year!

[azca]

welcome to America

[MilesA]

We live in interesting times. Disinformation is all around us. Seemingly everything we see and hear is spun, hyped or even totally fabricated to suit somebody else's agenda. Many marketing types don't even believe in such a thing as objective reality -- to them reality is only "perception" and "subjective" therefore reality may be distorted at will. It's a real effort not to get sucked into somebody else's fantasies.

[John M]

The Saab commercials now have disclaimers at the bottom stating something like "No longer affiliated with the company that produces aircraft" or something similar.

 

I wish Subaru would give up on the "we used to make jets" idea with the stupid corporate grille. Hell, every US automaker made tanks & Jeeps during WW2 but I've never seen a Grand Marquis with armor plating and gun barrels either.

[AWD_Rules3830]

lets face it, most buyers are idiots who buy cars on little stupid things like, its a "gt" model, when it never deserved that title.

[Guest]

The Saab commercials now have disclaimers at the bottom stating something like "No longer affiliated with the company that produces aircraft" or something similar.

 

I wish Subaru would give up on the "we used to make jets" idea with the stupid corporate grille. Hell, every US automaker made tanks & Jeeps during WW2 but I've never seen a Grand Marquis with armor plating and gun barrels either.

 

The gave up, thank God. There is a thread about this.

[mickeyd2005]

There is one difference. Fuji Heavy Industries is still a major owner of Subaru whereas Saab Aerospace has nothing to do with cars anymore.

 

Is that a JDM LGT on FHI's corporate homepage?

 

http://www.fhi.co.jp/about/index.html

 

I have spoken to Saab aerospace engineers and they vehemently deny any connection with the car company.

 

I have spoken to FHI aerospace engineers and they are very proud to be affiliated with Subaru. We joked with one FHI manager at a meeting about getting us a "corporate" discount and he said "absolutely!"

 

In fact, in the early '90s, my colleague was assigned to work at FHI's facility in Japan. The secretary arranged to lease a Toyota before he got there. When he arrived, they looked at his car and made him park outside the gate.

[GTTuner]

lets face it, most buyers are idiots who buy cars on little stupid things like, its a "gt" model, when it never deserved that title.

 

 

Yes, like a Ford Escort GT with a turbo. Whayt do you need that for, incase a Chevette wants to race?

 

A comic used that on one of his shows on HBO. Loved it

[PGT]

Yes, like a Ford Escort GT with a turbo. Whayt do you need that for, incase a Chevette wants to race?

 

 

you do realize that an Escort RS is a badass driver's car right?

 

http://212.67.202.205/~mad4it4/cossie.jpg

[Whitestar Pilot]

you do realize that an Escort RS is a badass driver's car right?

 

http://212.67.202.205/~mad4it4/cossie.jpg

 

Sure, maybe in Wales.

 

Never seen anything like that in the States.

[AWD_Rules3830]

the damn thing looks soo riced out anyway and its probably a huge cop magnet.

[PGT]

Sure, maybe in Wales.

 

Never seen anything like that in the States.

 

we could say the same thing about Subaru 5 years ago

[NutBucket]

the damn thing looks soo riced out anyway and its probably a huge cop magnet.

That's about as "riced out" as an STi.

 

Ignorance = bliss:icon_roll

[rodan]

FYI, no Mustang produced after 1993 was called a "5.0". In 1996, there was only the 4.6 for the GT. The 32v Cobra has always been a 4.6, and any Cobra owner that got beat by a "Vtec" stock to stock couldn't drive.

 

BTW, the original 5.0 (302 cubic inches) was actually a 4.948. Wow, what an exaggeration by Ford...

 

Escort RS = hawt Saw one registered in NM here for a rally event about a year ago, it was even LHD. So they do exist in the US...

[GTTuner]

The early Cobras were recalled because they didn't put out the advertised HP. My comparision with the VTEC "was tounge in cheek"or getting a point across. I believe the first 150 Lightnings had the same problem.

 

I dont care if it was a 4.948 litre, it's not technicaly a 5.0. Ford lies and has put out some dangerous products knowingly. Ford is a deceptive, smoke in the mirror auto maker that is quite ludicrious compared to Ford of Europe. If you go to europe Ford has some seriously nice cars out there....yes,even the turbo Escort:lol:

 

I could go on and on with dirt on Ford. How about Crown Vic's that explode when rear ended? Didn't they learn their lesson back in the seventies???? Or the Expiditions that caught fire in consumers garages and burned their houses down?

 

Abeit, all manufactures have done some stupid stuff, but IMO Ford takes the cake.

[John M]

How about Crown Vic's that explode when rear ended?

 

How about the rest of that fact: that they "explode" when hit from the rear at 70+ mph while stationary. What vehicle wouldn't do so in that situation? It's not like it happens in all cases either. In instances where a fire does result, I don't think any vehicle could be guaranteed to not do the exact same thing.

 

When you've owned as many as I have, and know plenty of LEOs who spend all day in them, you'd know they're safe cars.

[vulvarizer]

Has anyone seen the "Borne from Jets" ads running from Saab?

 

Give me a break, the only thing these things have in common with jets are washer jets from GM cars! GM has inundated the Saab line with Opel platforms and GM engines. No wonder they don't sell.

 

What ever happened to 'truth in advertising"? I hate Ford for this. Example; The Mustang GT 5.0 was NEVER a 5.0L engine. It is and always was a 4.9. In 1996, the 4.9 was rated at 220bhp. Two years later, after some lawsuits, it was changed to 205bhp. Then when the Cobra 32 valve 4.9 was originally rated for 335bhp. Well, they had to recall all of them because owners were getting spanked by VTEC Hondas. They recalled them and had to install new cams and intake set ups to get closer to the rated hp.

 

Point is, we live in a a world where a Saab could be a Subaru, or a Mazda a Ford, or a Chrysler a Mitsubishi, or a Mitsubishi a Chrysler, or a Chevrolet a Toyota or Suzuki, or a Honda that is an Isuzu, and on and on. I feel bad for unsuspecting consumers.

 

Truth in advertising is DEAD. I'll stick with my Subaru made in the USA. +

 

THANK God GM sold off it's shares of Fuji this year!

 

Their advertising is not a lie, it's more like an omission of facts. They were Started by a corporation that built and still builds planes. They just have nothing whatsoever in commom with the "aero" side of the business.

[PhilT]

Sure, maybe in Wales.

 

Never seen anything like that in the States.

 

Believe it or not, there is life outside the USA

 

the damn thing looks soo riced out anyway and its probably a huge cop magnet.

 

Even today, the "Cossie" would still give the STi and EVO a run for their money.

[john_knoxville]

FYI, no Mustang produced after 1993 was called a "5.0". In 1996, there was only the 4.6 for the GT. The 32v Cobra has always been a 4.6, and any Cobra owner that got beat by a "Vtec" stock to stock couldn't drive.

 

BTW, the original 5.0 (302 cubic inches) was actually a 4.948. Wow, what an exaggeration by Ford...

p3wnd

[PGT]

Believe it or not, there is life outside the USA

 

no! couldn't be

[SLegacy99]

My bro is lookin at cars and he wants something reliable. I said a Legacy with a 2.2 or a WRX but he doesnt want another Subie. We differed on alot of cars, we compromised on Saab. However, he wants a newish one and Im thinkin pre GM. ....Some consumers have it coming to them

[SLegacy99]

 

BTW, the original 5.0 (302 cubic inches) was actually a 4.948. Wow, what an exaggeration by Ford...

 

 

The point is that they suck!

 

 

...apple said that my ipod is a 4 gig...it max capacity is 3.7 gb.........it pisses me off.

[rodan]

The point is that they suck!

 

Mine ran 11s and got 28mpg highway and over 20 in town, cost $12k new, and never had any problems unrelated to racing (one broken trans in 110k miles).

 

If that sucks, I really hate my Subaru...

[SLegacy99]

 

If that sucks, I really hate my Subaru...

 

Trust me, you'll find your Subaru far more reliable.

[rodan]

The Legacy has already had more warranty work in 40k miles than the Mustang did in more than double that...

 

I'm just curious, and don't mean to flame, but how old were you in the late 80's? I see so many folks bashing the 5.0s these days,

and most of them were not old enough to even know the cars as anything other than a high-mile, beat to crap used car. You should thank Ford and GM for building cars like the Mustang 5.0, IROC Camaro, and Buick GN. This was the start of the performance movement that has brought us where we are today. 15 minutes of work (set timing, remove intake baffle and set tire pressures) would get the 5.0 in the 13s in 1987. Doesn't seem fast now, but at the time there was nothing like it.

 

I broke the trans in my Mustang at 80k miles (it had been down the strip an uncountable number of times at that point). That was the only major failure I ever had in 105k miles with that car. It never left me stranded. It won drag races, it won trophies at car shows, and it made it into several magazines.

 

Times have changed, and today a stock Legacy can dip into the 13s with the right conditions and good driving. But I'm old enough to remember the miserable crap that passed for performance cars in the early 80s, and cars like the 5.0 Mustang are what brought us where we are. You should give Ford a little credit for having the balls to build it at the time.