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praedet Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Sorry I took so long to reply, my first reply was all ready to go and we had a simulated power outage… Let’s see, my comparisons are based on a high performance fwd NA car that is set up damn near neutral… (Except the RE-92 part, it is based on other people’s comparisons) Dry Falken Azenis (old ones) 10 Toyo T1R 9 Nokian WR 7.5-8 RE-92 7 Hakk 2 4.5 Wet Performance Toyo T1R 10 Nokian WR 9 RE-92 7 Falken Azenis (old ones after about 3K miles) 6.5-7 Hakk 2 5 Cold Pavement Performance (Air Temp under 20 deg F) Nokian WR 10 RE-92 7 Hakk 2 6 Toyo T1R (Based on guesses from other summer tires driven at these conditions) 4 Falken Azenis (old ones, but see above) 4 Slush Performance Nokian WR 10 Hakk 2 9 RE-92 (Based on last year’s comments) 6 Toyo T1R NR Falken Azenis (old ones) NR Plowed Snow Performance Hakk 2 10 Nokian WR 9.5-10 RE-92 (Based on last year’s comments) 5.5-6 Toyo T1R NR Falken Azenis (old ones) NR Fresh Snow Perf. < 4” Hakk 2 10 Nokian WR 9-9.5 RE-92 (Based on last year’s comments) 5-5.5 Toyo T1R NR Falken Azenis (old ones) NR Fresh Snow Perf. > 4” Hakk 2 10 Nokian WR 9 RE-92 (Based on last year’s comments) 5 Toyo T1R NR Falken Azenis (old ones) NR Ice Perf.(Only Studded tires would ever approach 10) Hakk 2 6 Nokian WR 5 RE-92 (Based on last year’s comments) 2 Toyo T1R NR Falken Azenis (old ones) NR Now, the comments. One winter on a summer tire (FWD) proved the value of a winter tire. I tried the Hakks on a friend’s car (that I drove roughly every other day through the beauty of car pooling), the WRs on mine. The cars were very similar. On snow and ice the Hakks will do slightly better. BUT, I never got stuck or out of control on the WRs, including 15” of unplowed snow over an inch of ice. (It was light snow though, not the wet stuff that would stop a tank) The Hakks are louder on pavement than the WRs, which are slightly louder than the Toyos. (or the RE-92s I am guessing) The WRs mainly pick up the strips on hwys more. In wet or dry(even when it is cold), there is no comparison. The WRs blow both the Hakks and the RE-92s away. If you run the Toyo at 10/10ths, the WR will get to about 8ish before predictably sliding. The Hakks would go to about 6 and the RE-92s 7. The WRs would transition to a predictable four wheel drift in the neutral fwd car. I actually enjoyed the slight decrease in ultimate grip, because it made for fun slides! Ultimately, the WRs made winter less fun, because the car did wht I asked it to, instead of sliding around a little for some fun. Unless you live in an area where the winter includes unplowed snow 85% of the time, the WRs will be perfect… Hope this helps! Ted CLIFF NOTES: WRs GOOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxerGT2.5 Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 and?? They are excellent in dry and wet/snow. I couldn't get the ABS to kick in with the WR's at all. Inversely, when I put my Proxes 4's on prematurely, I could get the ABS to kick in but not nearly as much as with RE92's. The advantage I found with the WR's is that yes, they can be used year round if you really wanted to. So the wear on dry pavement isn't horrible like Blizzaks or other "Full time snow tires". In Chicago we primarily drive on dry/slushy ice roads. If it snow here 4 times to accumulate 6+ inches each time we are lucky. Occationally we will get a giant storm. I just didn't wanna be buying new snow tires every 3-4yrs (thats conservative). OBAMA......One Big Ass Mistake America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfd425 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 I guess the answer to my original question is that there is a spectrum that goes from dry performance to snow/ice safety/performance, and everyone needs to decide for themseves where they want to be on that spectrum. I can't really argue with praedet's ratings since I haven't driven on WR's. However, with true winter compounds, the Hakks should have more of an advantage on snow and ice than indicated. I just can't believe that the WR's are basically equal in those categories, as the ratings would indicate. I don't think it's fair to diminish the relative value of the Hakks on ice by saying "only studded tires would ever approach a 10". That's like saying "only R-compound slicks would ever approach a 10" in the dry. Ice is one of the main reasons I want a dedicated winter tire, and stopping a few feet sooner might be the difference between crashing and not crashing. It is true that snow tires need to be replaced every 3-4 years, conservatively. Five years on my first set of Hakk 1's was probably one year too many. They definitely wear out quicker than all-seasons. Unlike praedet's experience, I found driving in Minnesota winters to be really fun with the Hakk 1's. I could still slide the car around in the snow all I wanted, but I could control it so well. It made me feel like a rally driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbotaz Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Back on topic, I just got 4 215-45-17 WRs for $140 piece + shipping (which was $12 per tire for me). www.waukegantire.com. Ask for Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emlevins Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Thanks turbotaz. That helps. 05 SWP Legacy GT Limited (aka "Pearl")- 5MT AP - Stage 2 Protuned (238/284) - wife driven 07 BMW 335xi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlueGT Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Very interested in the Nokian WRs. How would they compare to Michelin PA2, Dunlop M3, Goodyear Ultra Grip GW-3 or other comparble "high performance" winter tire? Specfically looking for how they compare in ice traction. Full tune of 68HTA, KSTech 73 MAF, Racer X FMIC and ID1000s................by the DataLog Mafia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highwaydrifter Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 im going to have to get a set of WRs for this winter.. as my stock tires are coming to their end soon.. that and my new bling blings are coming in in 2 months.. cant wait.. w00t w00t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbotaz Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 I just bought a set of 4 at this price in the Boston area, and found out that I won't be needing them. If anyone local is interested in them, please PM me. Back on topic, I just got 4 215-45-17 WRs for $140 piece + shipping (which was $12 per tire for me). www.waukegantire.com. Ask for Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 I'd be interested, but not local. PM me if you want to ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highwaydrifter Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 anyone know if they make the wr's in 18's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sputnik Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 anyone know if they make the wr's in 18's? Yes, they do. Try this site for complete specs on WRs: http://nokiantires.com/newsite/tires_popup.cfm?id=6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highwaydrifter Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 just talked to http://www.waukegantire.com. getting me a decent deal on the 225 45 17's nokian wr's ends up being 676 shipped.. a bit more then i wanted to pay but hell these should last a damn long time as winter tires.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdw Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 For those in New England, Maynard & Lesieur in Nashua quoted me $168 ea. for a 215/45-17 Nokian WR's mounted and balanced. By contrast, Direct Tire in Natick quoted $229 ea not including mount and balance (*cough* ass rape *cough*). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappy Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 For those in New England, Maynard & Lesieur in Nashua quoted me $168 ea. for a 215/45-17 Nokian WR's mounted and balanced. By contrast, Direct Tire in Natick quoted $229 ea not including mount and balance (*cough* ass rape *cough*). good deal.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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