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that mileage is about equal to my rate of mileage...got my car in may of 2013...it's now december of 2023 i have 230k (hit that today actually)...that's about 1,811 miles/month...8 years = 96 months which would equate to 173.8k miles...86 miles/commute and i can work from home 2 days a week...i'm sure there are people out there that drive more than i do so it's not really that crazy i'd like to go with an outback cause it's the best option body style wise for what i need but like i said i def don't want to deal with this issue again...this is only the 4th car i've owned (i'm 43)...87 honda civic, 99 honda civic (totalled), 05 mazda 6 and a 13 subaru legacy...i make my cars last as long as possible...so i am looking for feedback from higher mileage owners of 2015+ outback owners for oil consumption...on my legacy the oil consumption issue started happening long ago and gradually got worse over the years...so if outback owners started having oil consumption issues at a lesser rate with less miles that would indicate to me that it will get worse over time and that is something i'm not looking to repeat it again so the more info i can get the better

hi all...i have a 2013 subaru legacy 2.5 premium with 230k miles and i'm getting close to shopping for a new vehicle...i would like to have more cargo capacity than i currently have with my legacy while maintaining good gas mileage and i don't want a hybrid...i drive approximately 86 miles round trip for my commute...my car is now guzzling oil at a rate of 500-600 miles per quart...i also replaced the catalytic converter with an aftermarket one earlier this year (replaced both o2 sensors prior to that)...currently my rear bumper is very dirty in the vicinity of the exhaust and i started getting the p0420 code again so i ran a bottle of cat cleaner through it and the code kicked off...probably have to start doing that on a regular basis...anyway, i would like to have more cargo space but i am afraid to go with subaru again due to the oil consumption issue i am dealing with currently so i'd like to get some feedback from owners who have newer outbacks with high mileage to see if they are dealing with this issue cause i would rather not have to drive around with a 6-pack of oil in my trunk dumping one in once every other week...below is what i am looking for anyone with a newer than 2015 outback (6th gen+) with more than 175k or 200k miles dealing with bad oil consumption? needs: -reliability -60/40 folding second row -pleather/leather or seat covers (because dogs) -be able to fit in the garage have about 18’ of space would like to have 2’-3’ of that to walk around the front or back -awd or fwd -not a cvt transmission if i can avoid it (toyota's planetary style cvt is fine though) -timing chain, not belt -would like 30+ mpg -smaller wheels with more tire -splash guards -all weather floor mats and trunk tray -no lights in bumpers -aux input -more cargo space than my legacy (more cargo floor area, not necessarily height, hence the want for a wagon) -no engine autostop without a button control with memory wants: -dual driver memory settings -dual bluetooth phone connections -window rain guards -CarPlay -2nd row seat back protection (rubberized) -heated seats -cooled seats -backup camera list at the moment (will edit this post as i gather info): i left some manufacturers off that i don't consider options either due to cost or reliability but let me know if you think i forgot any...(left out: Land Rover, Volvo, bmw, Mercedes, Audi, Cadillac, dodge, Infiniti, jeep, Lincoln, vw & Mitsubishi) * = favorites 1 everything else *-acura tsx sportwagon *-buick regal tourx -honda element *-honda crv ex-l -mazda 3 hatchback *-mazda cx-50 premium plus or turbo *-mazda cx-5 2.5s preferred or carbon -subaru outback limited [for leather & seat memory] -toyota venza (2015 discontinued old wagon style) *-toyota rav 4 xle premium + weather package -toyota prius v 2 sedans -buick regal sportback *-honda accord (no leather or memory seat unless hybrid ex-l) -honda civic hatch ex-l or sedan touring (2022+) *-mazda 6 touring (memory seat available on grand touring reserve and up, discontinued for 2022) *-toyota camry xle (no seat memory)

all catalytic converters have the same precious metals in them...that's how they do their job...my aftermarket one failed due to the severe oil consumption i'm dealing with in my car

my aftermarket cat replacement cost $615 total...what is the one they want to install on your car made of, 24k gold?

same year...same issue...i replaced the downstream o2 sensor first...bought me about a year...then the code came back and i replaced the upstream o2 sensor...didn't help...so i replaced the cat with aftermarket...got me from feb of this year to nov of this year and the p0420 came back...i assume it's due to the heavy oil consumption issue i'm dealing with...tough starting and idles low...probably going to put a spacer on the downstream sensor just to get rid of the code and just keep driving till it won't start...won't need inspection until august so i'm good for a little while

this stuff turned the code lights off at the moment but the car is still hard to start...i am assuming after i go through this tank of fuel the lights will come back on...not sure if this is something i should do every few weeks to see if i can clean it a little https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BS1WMRRS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Here we go again…assuming the cat is clogged again (already replaced in feb this year with aftermarket)…rear bumper around the exhaust is black…getting hard to start sometimes…I may pick up a spacer for the downstream o2 sensor and keep driving it to see if I can get the lights to go off…it won't fix the clog but if it gets rid of the code that's good…probably going to try an engine flush with this next oil change...dumped a bottle of cat cleaner into a full tank of fuel last night...if that works i'll buy a few more and do it every few weeks...also going to try and clean the injectors at some point...i have 3 options bg44k (2 cans), seafoam (1 can) and marvel mystery oil (a bunch of cans)...it’s really time to start real car shopping…i don’t need a vehicle inspection until august so I have time unless it gets to the point where it won't start cause its so clogged o2 spacers https://jcarpart.com/search?options[unavailable_products]=show&options[prefix]=last&q=o2+spacer

exactly why i'm going to bury the legacy...i have to do a little more homework on the new outbacks and see if they still consume oil at higher mileages...if so i will knock that off my list...it really is what i want to buy next but i don't want to take the chance of dealing with the same issue in high mileage again...behind that the tourx and the cx-50 would be my next choices...then crv and rav4

well i'm just about at 228k...car is getting a little harder to start on the cold mornings but that may be due to using heavier oil in it to slow consumption...the highest i've gone is 10w-40...trying to dial back to thinner oil for the winter...the hard to start mornings may also have something to do with the aftermarket catalytic converter which was installed earlier this year...my exhaust tip is now black as well as my bumper in the meantime i have started my car shopping process in case something should happen...leaning towards toyota, honda and mazda...but the outback is what i really want but i also don't want to deal with this oil consumption issue again down the line like i am now...not many wagons available to buy by reliable companies new now so i'm looking at crossovers too...hyundai and kia have come a long way but i don't trust them long term...will have to see how my wife's telluride does over time...i wish weathertech would tell you the surface area of their cargo trays so i could gauge the trunk sizes on these cars better than with volume numbers...i want cargo floor area, not height...i don't want to stack stuff vertically needs: -reliability -60/40 folding second row -pleather/leather or seat covers (because dogs) -be able to fit in the garage have about 18’ of space would like to have 2’-3’ of that to walk around the front or back -awd or fwd -not a cvt transmission if i can avoid it (toyota's planetary style cvt is fine though) -timing chain, not belt -would like 30+ mpg -smaller wheels with more tire -splash guards -all weather floor mats and trunk tray -no lights in bumpers -aux input -more cargo space than my legacy (more cargo floor area, not necessarily height, hence the want for a wagon) wants: -dual driver memory settings -dual bluetooth phone connections -window rain guards -CarPlay -2nd row seat back protection (rubberized) -heated seats -cooled seats -backup camera list at the moment: i left some manufacturers off that i don't consider options either due to cost or reliability but let me know if you think i forgot any...(left out: Land Rover, Volvo, bmw, Mercedes, Audi, Cadillac, dodge, Infiniti, jeep, Lincoln, vw & Mitsubishi) * = favorites 1 sedans *-mazda 6 touring (memory seat available on grand touring reserve and up, discontinued for 2022) *-toyota camry xle (no seat memory) *-honda accord (no leather or memory seat unless hybrid ex-l) -kia k5 -Hyundai sonata hybrid *-honda civic hatch ex-l or sedan touring (2022+) *-buick regal sportback 2 everything else *-buick regal tourx *-acura tsx sportwagon -toyota venza (2015 discontinued old wagon style) -hyundai Tucson hybrid -hyundai Santa Fe hybrid -kia sorento hybrid (3 row) -kia sportage hybrid (2023+) *-honda crv ex-l *-toyota rav 4 xle premium + weather package -mazda 3 hatchback -honda element -toyota prius v *-mazda cx-50 premium plus or turbo *-mazda cx-5 2.5s preferred or carbon -toyota corolla hatch -toyota corolla cross -honda hrv *-Subaru Outback limited [for leather & seat memory] (on the list reluctantly) 3 truck -toyota stout (coming?) -toyota tacoma hybrid (coming?) -hyundai santa cruz (2022 model, untested decent fuel mileage, interested but unsure, i assume this is a santa fe with the rear chopped off, reminds me of the subaru baja) -ford maverick hybrid (same reasons as the santa cruz above, also not really sure about ford reliability and it's a new model)

222k now...going to let it roll for now...not interested in spending too much on an overpriced new or used car and have a prolonged overlap of payments for 2 cars...got the wife's car in 9/2021...4+ more years of payments left on it...unless i see a really good deal on something used

i should have stated that subaru is the only one making a reliable wagon...there def are some nice ones out there but they are too expensive for my needs and not something i would want to own or repair and def not out of the warranty period...i wouldn't consider anything from vw/audi, bmw, volvo, mercedes, porche or other luxury brands...a car is the worst investment but it's a necessity so cost and reliability is at the top of my list PCV was changed...did nothing for consumption too late on the 20w-50...i've been mixing oils in this car for a little while now...i just did an oil change with 10w-40...bought a few quarts of 20w-50 that i have been dumping in as the oil is consumed...and then i found a new 5qt jug of 0w-20 hiding in my garage so i have also been adding that as oil is consumed...then i will probably buy a few bottles of 10w-40 and few of 20w-50 after i finish all the 0w-20 to keep in the trunk for when i need to add oil i agree about the camry and rav but reliability is at the top of my list...i don't need it to be exciting...i need it to run...my legacy is/was never exciting to drive either...i just don't want to have to fix whatever i buy very often...i had an 05 mazda 6 which ran into 240k so i would not hesitate to buy another if i want to take a side step cargo capacity (which i am trying to increase with a new car)...i think the cx50 is off my list...too expensive for a minor bump in cargo capacity over the cx5...the cx5 is nice but also small in the trunk...probably smaller than my legacy...my thing is i want more cargo floor area, not volume...the cx5 volume is more than my legacy but that is vertically cause the trunk is so shallow...i don't want to stack stuff up in the trunk which is why i would really like a wagon...low to the ground for my older dogs and more cargo floor area...good to know about the honda belt, thanks...i'm also trying to stay away from cvt transmissions in case of replacement costs which is why i'm leaning towards toyota thanks...i'll add the crosstour to my list...the trunk looks pretty nice...the gas mileage isn't great though and they weren't around for very long i also had an 87 civic and a 99 civic so i would not hesitate to buy another but they are not going to up my cargo room...those are at the bottom of my list used car prices are crazy right now which is why i am keeping an eye out and plan to keep driving the legacy...highly doubt i will be able to get into a new outback...wife just got a new 22 telluride sx so i doubt i will be able to stretch the legacy until we are out of the payments to buy a new car for myself yea i kind of threadjacked the OP...figured it was better than creating a new thread...based on car prices i may just drive it till it dies

haven't had time to go car shopping...subaru dealers around here have crazy markups...subaru is really the only company making somewhat of a wagon with the outback...been dumping a quart of 20w-50 into it once a week now...up to 220k miles...getting annoying but still easier than having to go car shopping lol...below is the list of cars i am considering...mostly the ones with the * due to better reliability sedans *-mazda 6 touring (memory seat available on grand touring reserve and up, discontinued for 2022) *-toyota camry xle (no seat memory) *-honda accord (no leather or memory seat unless hybrid ex-l) -kia k5 -Hyundai sonata hybrid *-honda civic hatch ex-l or sedan touring (2022+) everything else *-buick tourx discontinued *-acura tsx sportwagon discontinued -toyota venza (2015 discontinued old wagon style) -hyundai Tucson hybrid -hyundai Santa Fe hybrid -kia sorento hybrid (3 row) -kia sportage hybrid (2023+) *-honda crv ex-l *-toyota rav 4 xle premium + weather package -mazda 3 hatchback *-honda element discontinued *-toyota prius v discontinued *-mazda cx-50 premium plus or turbo *-mazda cx-5 2.5s preferred or carbon

thanks...this is what i figured...time to move on

any idea what a rebuild would cost?...i assume the cost for a rebuild is probably not cost effective at this mileage...so i'm planning on looking for a new car...i am going to put this car up for sale for a little while (when i have time to clean it up and take photos)...i will be listing all it's issues in the ad...if i get no takers i'll trade it in with the purchase of my new car...it will pass inspection but i assume oil consumption will be dictated by usage...i drive mostly highway at 80mph...if someone is only driving around town and not going far or at lower speeds and doesn't mind checking the oil it would probably be fine to run as is for a cheap car...or someone that wants to rebuild it...if i get no takers i'll trade it in with the purchase of a new car...the kbb private party range is $3.6k to $5.6k...not even sure what i should ask for it with this issue...thanks for all your help!

Got to 325 miles instead 250 miles before adding a quart…negligible deference…time for a new car…got a never installed new set of white lines control arms that I can’t return…wonder if I should pull the struts out before trading in or selling…doubt anyone will want to buy it when they read the ad

Oil change done with 10w-40…we’ll see how it goes…first time using my rhino ramps…so much faster than a jack and jack stands…low oil light turned on after I finished the oil change…had to reset it by moving the fuse… Going to see how it goes with the heavier oil but has anyone ever used Lucas oil stabilizer?…looks like it thickens the oil and is supposed to help with oil consumption

yea cause they want to resell them...this car will probably go to a scrap yard for parts or an auction...they won't be selling it...i've sold 2 cars, 2 trucks and 5 motorcycles over the years all privately...in MA if they pass inspection, a buyer can't come back with the lemon law and try to return it...this car will pass inspection...but the oil consumption is an issue and i don't hide things when i sell items privately...i would list this issue in the ad...so i won't get much for an outright sale for a car that needs and engine rebuild...i have no problem trading it in and not telling a car dealer about that issue though...i guess i have a few options to unload the car and try to get as much money as i can with as little headache as possible...if you know of any others please let me know... 1 private party mechanic special 2 carmax (or another similar company) 3 recycler (never done this option before so not sure who is good to deal with) 4 car dealer trade in also thank you and everyone else that has helped me with this along the way...much appreciated

on top of that i think the last carmax offer i got for this car was $800 so it's worth more to me at this point due to how much money i just sunk into it so i'm going to try to keep running it till it pisses me off too much

i don't doubt it but i won't be paying for one for a car with 216k on the clock...it will more likely get traded in before i get it rebuilt

either way the new battery has been working fine... just put another quart of 0w-20 in today right around 250 miles...i think i have 1 or 2 quarts left to finish before my oil change when i plan to up the oil weight...i wish i remembered when this oil consumption issue began with my car...my mother has a 2011 outback with a 2.5 and i am not aware of any oil consumption issues...at the same time she has less mileage, uses non-synthetic oil and goes about 4k miles between oil changes...if i try 10w-40 and it doesn't slow the consumption do i try 20w-50 or do i try non-synthetic next?

that's strange...i wonder why there is a discrepancy between the owners manual and the service manual...maybe it has something to do with where the cars were going?...cold climate dealers got the big batteries?

thanks! the only thing the owners manual says on page 12-9 in the electrical specs is "battery type and capacity (5HR) 75D23R (12V-52AH)"...nothing else...haven't had time to download the service manual which is why i asked the question https://cdn.subarunet.com/stis/doc/ownerManual/MSA5M1304BSTIS.pdf it's not...i searched the whole owners manual pdf while at work...no access to download the service manual at work

thanks fellas...anyone know the OEM battery specs?

battery failed today...planning to get a new one today or tomorrow...currently have a Duralast Gold 25-DLG with 800 CA and 640 CCA...a new 25-DLG at autozone has 685 CA and 550 CCA...what's going on with the same model battery having weaker specs?

Gotcha low oil light popped on again today…~250 miles…so pcv was no help…I used another quart of 0w-20 today so I have 3 quarts left…probably just going to pass my oil change interval by a ~800 miles to use all the 0w-20 up and then the next oil change will be all 10w-40 tested battery and checked for parasitic draw…stopping here for the night…got a 50mA parasitic draw on the battery which I think is normal from everything I’ve read…put it on a trickle charger overnight just in case…may start pulling fuses and testing on the weekend or when I have more time or may just replace the battery