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The way they prove the Earth is flat is as good as your subjective measurements that prove the 4 Runner is bigger

Obviously you're not paying attention, but ok

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Compare the Lexus RX350:

RX350

Leg 43.1/36.8

4 runner

Leg 41.7/32.9/29.3

The Lexus has a full 1.4" more in the front, and about 4" more in the back. Right? These numbers don't lie... right?

Wrong. With the front seat adjusted for a 6'0" driver, the 4Runner had 3.5" more rear legroom (maybe 'knee room' is better) than the RX350. That's like bumping up to "Economy Plus" if you will. Big difference in feel, and a LOT more room to move around if you're finagling car seats and kids.

But hey if you want to believe what's on the internet, I got a picture proving the Earth is flat:

There are industry standards to measure interior room, that is where the comparisons come from.

 

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Can you find them? The RX350 has more “official” legroom than the 4Runner, yet that is obviously not the case by any stretch of the imagination. One manufacturer is measuring to/from very different positions and configurations.

Glad to keep your legacy alive:

http://spandexteens.com/wp-content/uploads/Big-Ass-Leggings-tight-12-768x1365.jpg

An adjustable suspension is the obvious choice here... maybe that'll appear in the next update/iteration?

The 4Runner has an option in the TRD trim (I think) that adds another 1.5". I'm not sure if that's manually controlled or a permanent change, but a lot of vehicles have these adjustable ride heights. The Ascent could easily incorporate that, making it WAY more capable, especially for those approach/departure angles.

IIRC, the Ascent has as much GC as a 4Runner. Pretty sure that was the vehicle Subaru benchmarked before they built Ascent.

Everything below is:

Ascent // 4Runner Limited 4x4

Ground Clearance

8.7" // 9.6"

Departure Angle:

21.8° // 26°

Approach Angle:

17.6° // 33°

That may not mean much to people outside of Colorado (where I'm moving) or mountainous areas, but it means a lot to me for off-roading and camping access...

Break out your tape measures folks... I went to the auto show in Dallas, and should have measured the Ascent as well, but go ahead and compare to your current vehicles:

Distance from the front of the back seat (where your knee bends around) straight out to the back of the front seat:

• 4Runner:
  • Front Seat All The Way Forward: 17"
    
  • Front Seat all the way back: 7.5"
    
  • Front adjusted for 6'0" driver: 11"
    
  • Rear cargo width (opening): 48"
    
  • Rear cargo depth: 42" (no 3rd row in this model)
    

  [*]Lexus RX350:

  • Front Seat All The Way Forward: 15.5"
    
  • Front Seat all the way back: 6"
    
  • Front adjusted for 6'0" driver: 7.5"
    
  • Rear cargo width (opening): 45"
    
  • Rear cargo depth: 39" (3rd row not even an option)
    

  [*]Ascent:

  • Front Seat All The Way Forward: TBD
    
  • Front Seat all the way back: TBD
    
  • Front adjusted for 6'0" driver: TBD
    
  • Rear cargo width (opening): 44"
    
  • Rear cargo depth: 21" (with 3rd row in)
    

The third value is what I consider the real-world leg room figure. This is when a seat is adjusted for a real driver, and measures the "feel" of how much room you really have. The 4Runner felt much larger than the Ascent, both in height and legroom. The 4Runner felt positively cavernous compared to the RX350.

Also, I feel this figure is most relevant for people with car seats (I have two in each vehicle). The passenger in my '16 TLX and '07 TL Type-S have to sit waaaay forward to accommodate the car seat behind them.

And, there is no standard way to compare legroom figures, so this is why I actually went and measured some vehicles. Wish I had done the same with the Ascent...

I've been looking at the 4runner too. Give us one with a diesel engine already

Turbo diesel? I'm sold. Or gas + better mpg + CarPlay. I'm sold again.

Honestly, I'm leaning heavily towards a used (2014+) 4Runner and holding out until the Ascent gets a better engine (either more power or hybrid). Or until the 4Runner gets an actual update and not just a facelift.

In the meantime, I'll probably spend the ~15-20k in savings on a trip to Bora Bora

I'm really struggling with this decision... the price for the Touring trim is on par with a 4Runner Limited, fully loaded, with full-time 4WD. They essentially have all the same features, but the 4Runner has more room, more ground clearance, a locking center diff, and a few other minor things. The Ascent has 19 cupholders and better mpg.

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I think that is probably a typical sixer.

3.3 or 3.8 for 94-95 as per:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Caravan#Second_generation_(1991%E2%80%931995)

 

I was helping a friend try to find a trans for a late 90s caravan 4 cylinder a couple months ago,

and only about 20% of the listings were fuel sipping pokey 4s.

 

just noticing, the plate on the front says "carcamel"

"... I was going pretty good and about half way through the flap coil valve burner started smoking. The hydro pen springer sprung off the manifold drive and if I didn't over flood the drive gas on that last pan out. And I tried to underflate that hydro coil and if I couldn't do that I was gonna have to shut 'er down."

--Brian Regan

I'm so finding that episode now...

That’s the North Pole special. One of their best ever.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear:_Polar_Special

If you're running Windows. Close all your windows, shut down your computer, run around the house three times, power up computer while standing on your head, log in with only your tongue, then it should work. If you're running Linux,... well, you probably aren't, cuz Linux doesn't have problems like that.

Linux: It's free if your time is worth nothing.

In reality I do think that having car in neutral/park and feeding SeaFoam through vacuum brake MC hose while running at hgiher RPMs can help clean the valves. IDK how you check if it worked though without pulling the intake manifold.

This makes me nervous... is SeaFoam ok to burn and then send through the cat(s)? What about the turbo: will it then coat/corrode the bearings and various seals in there?

I'm all about doing it the faster/easier way, but I'm worried about sending a bunch of burnt garbage around the entire system. Feels like a dual catch can system is a better preventative option, and just do the walnut blasting every 50-100k.

Anyone know if the DI can use some type of CRC/Spray cleaner in lieu of the walnut/media blasting every 30k miles? I know Subaru has a few products they use in the Australian market with their DI petrol engines, but I can't seem to find them at present. Nor a part number. Nor distrubution. But this shouldn't be rocket science since we have it in the FA20DIT already.

 

People on the Honda forums are ignorant. My Honda Pilot has DI in the EarthDreams engine, and they're just saying to run TopTier gasoline in it. I'm sure that helps, but it won't clean the back side of the valves.

 

Also any idea on oil requirement for Ascent? Thinking 5w30. On sale for $24 for 5 quart jug with $10 MIR for PP

From the earlier pics, the yellow filler cap said "___W20" (couldn't see the first number). With the quoted mileage, I'm betting 0W20.

http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=261801&d=1518370955

It looks like they just decided not to modify a few pieces (this is the limited):

http://hanabi.autoweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/gen-738-415/public/2019_ascent_limited-interior_1_0.jpg?itok=hyNqI-f5

This is really what it looked like (Touring model). One other thing: I definitely like the physical buttons for heat and ventilation for the seats. My Acura TLX controls that through the infotainment system and I hate it... seats work great, and they work under the "auto" environmental control, but it's obnoxious if you want to manually adjust.

Last thoughts: Wife liked everything but the color of the Touring model. She said she could get used to the java brown, but there are ALSO light tan leather accents... sometimes on the same panel/area. It definitely isn't great. Faux wood, dark brown leather, light tan leather, black soft-touch stuff... it's a lot of clashing.

It appears the Limited version has other color options that may be less horrible, and with the moonroof + speakers + navi upgrade, it comes to $41,945. It appears the final $3,000 gets you more leather, ventilated seats (wonder if that'll be an option on the Limited), and sun shades on 2nd and 3rd row windows.

Front brakes look nice and beefy. Appears to be a dual piston caliper.

Rear brakes are also vented. Not sure why the outer one is a different color from the inner one...

I noticed other vehicles like the Pilot and Santa Fe did NOT have rear vented discs... I feel like that's a no-brainer, but I guess some vehicles try to do without. I wonder if the base model (without the 5,000 lb tow rating) has non-vented discs in the rear?

Rear gate felt somewhat high at around 30". There's a great hidden compartment under the carpet for things like grocery bags, etc.

From the back of the third row, ~22" depth:

From the top of the third row's seats, ~13" to the door:

Across the top of the hatch, ~42" width:

Across the bottom, ~45"

And ~31" high:

There's more room side, these are just the dimensions of the DOOR area.