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That would be awesome. The Ascent would be pretty unstoppable at that point! I wonder if that would mess with the warranty in any way...

No one is talking used vehicles. You can find similar deals on any demo unit, but they are difficult to come across... An extra $10k is not always reasonable to every buyer, hence why there are so many cars at so many different prices. $10k is a big jump. The Ascent and 4Runner are basically the same price at every trim level, but 4Runners rarely have incentives that drop the price more than 3-5%. Can't blame them when sales have been spectacular: 2010 46,531 2011 44,316 2012 48,755 2013 51,625 2014 76,906 2015 97,034 2016 111,970 2017 128,296 It remains to be seen how prices will hold for the Ascent, but I'm betting it's going to be very popular. As an SUV, it's stellar. If the only off-road action you're likely to see is an occasional pothole while dropping the wife off at Nordstrom, you'd be crazy to buy a 4Runner in lieu of an Ascent. But if you're going off-road often, I think the argument goes the other way.

50 G's?? I got mine at a significant discount due to it being a demo unit with 6000 miles on the clock. Technically "new" with full warranty, but $11k off... so it was a decent deal.

No, a 2017 4Runner limited... I wouldn't call it shameful, but it's definitely not as nice as the Ascent. No CarPlay (my biggest gripe), but the Entune system is miles better than the infotainment system in my wife's '16 TLX (despite the small screen). Calls, voice commands, Pandora, OpenTable, etc is all easy as pie. I'm actually quite pleased with it. Heated/cooled seats, leather, dual zone climate control, automatic headlights, etc etc etc... It's all pretty similar. No lane-change warning though or lane-keep assist. So yeah, some drawbacks. But almost 10" of clearance, amazing approach/departure angles, and very roomy interior. I'd still rather have the 4Runner...

5k. Just a completely different vehicle. The ascent is way more refined and more comfy as a daily driver, I'm sure. Except maybe the third row seating (for adults). Had my parents in the third row this weekend and no issues whatsoever (but they're 5'8" tall, so not exactly big people).

Yep. I'd say it's a winner versus a Highlander if off-road and towing was a big factor. Also I think the interior is better equipped than just about every other vehicle in its class. ... but for the same money, you could get a 4Runner and destroy the trails!

Nice off-road features, decent clearance. Will be a great occasional camper and off-roader for a lot of people. Cool to watch the system lock the spinning wheels.

... spoiler alert!

Thanks B4, good info on all points. The trailer hitch though... most people are going to want to leave the hitch in place. Otherwise it’s jusg another thing you have to do to get the vehicle ready. I guess if you only tow something once a year it’s ok but a lot of people pull toys or have bike racks they use frequently. Plus if you’re towing something like a camper and leave it at the camp site, your trailer hitch is still attached and looks weird. In my opinion. I just think it looks like an obvious afterthought.

Trailer hitch setup (barf) - $500 for this ugliness: $185 for 6 LED bulbs on the interior: $970 for 2x 32GB ipads ($329 ea at Apple.com), plus 2 cheap wireless headphones, plus otterbox cases ($30 ea): $411 for remote start which requires a separate fob: $81 for wheel locks (wtf is going on, I just ordered them from Toyota for $36):

Build your own Ascent: https://www.subaru.com/build-your-own/2019/ASC.html

Let's be honest: it's one of the best threads on the interwebs, and I've seen a lot of interwebs...

Touche. It appears I dodged the recall bullet, but I guess I either got lucky, or destiny is waiting over the horizon... For now, it's fantastic and I love it. Except for the infotainment system... which is actually slightly better than the Lexus GS 350 we were comparing it against. I guess we'll see how I feel in a few more years. 17k miles down, and zero issues thus far.

... better check my VIN against that recall. But I've had zero problems so far! *crosses fingers, knocks on wood, etc*

My '16 TLX has a great 9-speed auto. However, I think the '15 TLX (same generation) had an issue and was recalled. Apparently it was fixed for '16+? My wife's '07 TL Type-S has a great AT too. Actually shifts harder/faster than the TLX... Everything about these cars is top notch except the damn infotainment system

It's all my fault

I made the comparison only based on the very similar price for Touring trim ($44,700) vs Limited 4WD 4Runner ($44,000). That's before fees, incentives, etc... Both vehicles are equipped similarly: heated/ventilated seats, 3rd row seating, 4WD/AWD, ~270 HP, ~280 lb-ft, 5000 lb towing capacity, navigation, upgraded stereo, etc etc etc... I was just saying that it seems to me (though others disagree on various points) that you get a lot more vehicle for the price with the 4Runner: higher ground clearance (extra 1.1" over Ascent), much improved approach/departure angles, locking center diff, wider/taller tailgate (can actually fit a 4x8' horizontally through door), etc. Conversely, the Ascent has a much nicer fit & finish (4Runner feels utilitarian), has much better mpg, is boosted (especially nice for high elevations), and has 19 cupholders... If your vehicle will never see anything more treacherous than a speed bump in front of Nordstrom, the Ascent is the obvious choice. But as you start wanting to go into rugged terrain, and not just dirt-road-rugged, the 4Runner seems to offer a lot more for the same price.